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Angriffe auf Polizei, Feuerwehr und Sanitäter in der Silvesternacht | ZDFheute live

Jan 04, 2023

Angriffe auf Polizei, Feuerwehr und Sanitäter in der Silvesternacht | ZDFheute live

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today what happened on new year's eve in berlin and other cities that should still concern us today attacks on people who help other emergency services firefighters and rescuers in ambulances and ambulances were attacked images amazing like here from berlin here we are watching together a fire extinguisher was thrown at a moving ambulance the panel which luckily was standing here but that happened that night bombarding people with firecrackers and rockets bombing the emergency services that was a sad truth not only in Berlin but also in other cities and how the emergency services

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or ask questions, do it directly with us in the broadcast or by mail because yesterday we invite exciting guests and they want to speak first with Thomas Kirstein, he is the spokesman for the Bomb eros from Berlin The fire brigade is standing in front of us in front of the fire station in Steglitz and was on duty in Berlin on New Year's Eve.
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Good evening, yes, good evening to Mainz, Mr. Kirstein, we saw the first pictures a moment ago. in the clip, but they themselves were there, you can tell us what you yourself experienced on New Year's Eve in Berlin, yes, they sent me to a large deployment site on Germania Promenade, a roof truss burned out there and we had already I received information from the press service that some vehicles had been attacked, we also have a relative image published early on Twitter also a little bit with the call not to attack us and on this site I came across a fire truck that was attacked in the way to this big fire in Hermannstraße in Neukölln they had to stop at a barricade that was on fire and slowed down the journey and only from yes as agreed is a risk A group of people of up to 30 hooded hooded fell on this fire truck tried of fearful shooting with alarm guns on the windshield an attempt was made to open the device compartments or life was opened the safety devices were removed life and even attempted to throw fireworks into the crew cabin this is a whole new dimension of aggressiveness against the emergency services and that is why we have posted it so aggressively now they are talking about a new dimension , that means they have never experienced anything like this before, and this attack on the ambulance with a fire extinguisher on the windshield, those are things that we do in this way they don't know about these agreements that supposedly existed we have repeatedly received the description of the services of emergency they had a feeling they had to

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especially drawn to an ambush they slowed down their journey and then out of nowhere the perpetrators came several perpetrators and they have We shot these fire trucks specifically, in the past we were used to that on trips mission was always too bad, but not on this scale and not with this aggressiveness.
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Yeah, we just saw a perpetrator get taken away. It is said that up to 103 people were arrested, including 98 men, five women who attacked them, talk about hooded people which of course is difficult to assign, but are you a little smarter today? Where do these attacks come from? So the investigations are being carried out by the Berlin police to the best of their ability, probably because who, of course, fled very quickly, videos appeared today on social networks where you can also see that they are running very quickly towards this vehicle and then they run away again it's probably hard to pin down these perpetrators at all what we do today and then we've pointed out again particularly on the M social edien that these emergency vehicle fire videos are even subtitled with music and more or less glorified not We can understand that it doesn't seem right to us, especially since some of our own emergency services were injured during this operation, of course, how are those affected colleagues who were away from home last night, in case of doubt, how will they be treated, yes, we can also accompany them to deal with such experiences, yes, first of all, have to say that the fire The management team of brigade crisis in the morning it's new in the morning after we got this bad description again we communicate very offensively about aftercare offers we have so called aftercare teams and now we are in the process of sensitizing managers so that Take advantage of your emergency services offers because the emergency services we use at night in the I heard who shared their descriptions with us.
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They were all very upset. These are experiences. We also had experience. The emergency services who had never experienced anything like this and were deeply affected. When we talk about the issue of injuries, we call the press office of the Hamburg fire brigade. this morning we flew in a very close exchange and there we received a message that simply hurts and deeply saddens us a member of the Hamburg volunteer fire brigade was so badly injured by a firework that he is fighting for his sight right now we are Family firefighters, we wish you all the best from Berlin, at this moment we are thinking of him and you should keep in mind that these are volunteer firefighters who do not celebrate New Year's Eve at home voluntarily but want to guarantee the safety of society and then they attacked and that leaves us speechless and stunned, yes, amazing and of course there is the question of whether you yourself do, colleagues still want to do this work whether it is about your own health, your life, I will say.
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Danger you are already risking. anyway, you have to say that this family of firefighters depends a lot on this team spirit, you have to keep in mind that the fire truck was there in the most danger, you have to say that it was the biggest danger to life from this attack, as well as the trip to the place continued, yes, and then extinguished a fire in the attic for three hours, also in the team and it must be said that we in the communication department also see to a certain extent that if we make these attacks public, the people who work for us do it to some extent too Yes, through society we have received a lot of news today they say that it is not possible, we are on your side, we cannot understand that and that helps one or the other and what would be something that would help you, so what specifically could you ask for in the future to ensure your safety more man?
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I just have to say that last year when there was a ban on the sale of fireworks we had very few attacks and very few fires and in every fire everyone was injured and again we had serious injuries to children in Germany this year you have to keep in mind Keep in mind that 30 percent of those injured by fireworks are not the ones who set off the fireworks, but are affected when children or other adults are standing around and always keep in mind that perhaps without one or the other fireworks would not have happened to the extent that it is for us as Firefighters, we can only say that every firecracker in one hand v n people is a bit dangerous and if people are still under the influence of alcohol, as is the case on New Year's Eve, then accidents happen that can be avoided, so your specific demands to politicians and then the ban on firecrackers, I understand understand them at lí So really a banned Bella you have to check and we found out that in Berlin we have three no gun zones and the Berlin police had to deploy a large number of personnel there to make these no gun zones safe a gun ban has to be monitored maybe it is also a target or it would be desirable if we also take a look at the world there are big metropolises in Sydney or Paris where fireworks are planned by experts where people can see these fireworks an idea a suggestion from thomas kirster on the spokesman for the Berlin fire brigade after he took the time with us as a guest again today, thank you very much for that, yes, and the politicians were of course also commented today after these events, the Minister of the Interior Ferser talks about brutalization and is based on citing consistent actions, therefore stricter laws are not needed now, in her opinion, because and a exist, let's take a look Also, a summary of a report by Henriette de Maiziere It is these disturbing images of New Year's Eve that also occupy the capital on Day 2 of the New Year, where the celebrations intensified. to the violence where the police and rescue teams were attacked en masse, the Federal Minister of the Interior reports in writing that it is a magnitude of violence that leaves one stunned and angry and shows a brutality that requires constant action, the security forces sometimes they only had to withdraw a few Man throws fire extinguisher into an ambulance, disc contains steel bottle, police can arrest launcher of violence to a previously unknown point di Police had feared exactly that and demanded action.
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There was no blanket ban on firecrackers. It is the task of the Federal Ministry of the Interior to amend the explosives law here to ensure that this does not happen and the federal states in the individual municipalities have helped themselves. with closed areas that sometimes worked better and sometimes worse there are more than 100 arrests also in other cities attacks on rescuers who are the perpetrators there is no concrete information today we are dealing with a part of the population that is far from the state and also the representatives from the state that they really do not recognize how important it is to also comply with certain norms in relation to violence and in this sense firefighters, rescuers and also the police as representatives are attacked only in berlin in but throughout Germany for many of us it seems completely irrational that people are attacked who want to help themselves or others I also looked at the comments that I had read here even from someone now I can find the comment I don't believe anymore but someone told her that tears come to her eyes when she hears the descriptions of our firefighter, so for many of us it really is getting completely absurd, but today we also want to talk about why you do something like that, how can something like that? it happened and we still have each other now In the second half, a guest invited the answers for us, Professor Dr.
Andreas Zick violence researcher at the University of Bielefeld, good evening, exactly absurd, people who help are attacked on New Year's Eve actually about the situation where people celebrate together I want and then it escalates. How can you explain that you have been dealing with this phenomenon for so long? When does the violence escalate? What answers do you have for us to this question that we all don't really understand? In the first place, it is for the groups that Violence is not as irrational as we think, but the violence that we saw is an experience for them.
This New Year's Eve has already been staged by many in the run-up to when finally after Corona we can party freely again, that is the expectation raised by the charitable groups of those who then stage the experience there and for them the spectacle of violence is itself an experience that strengthens the groups that are out there and we have seen masked groups that not only have enemy images towards the police and emergency services are perceived as disturbing the peace and these anticipate that this preset plays a role an important role the groups then go to public places where a party is supposed to be held it doesn't happen so much at first they meet others who are watching some of whom also take cell phone recordings and experience all not an attack at all but like a pure experience and violence creates such dream gains and there are groups trying to master this space with so much violence, chasing the police, chasing the rescue services, this is a constellation of conflict with the calculators, I don't want to because we always think of everyone's individual rules I know we shouldn't attack the emergency services , but it does not work because in these situations and if there is still stress, then violence is used, aggression is what I focus on and it is different groups that then contribute to the escalation, it is not just the individual perpetrators, now we will see that there are there are many young Men there, of whom the passers-by then expect exactly that, that they stage themselves in this way, but there are many spectators, others who came clean, who later uploaded it to social networks, then everything will be staged at great speed, like we just heard about a big event and now we have to talk about brutalized police footage we have to define exactly what is really brutalized in the s society but it doesn't fall out of the sky we've had an increase in these I would say bias based hate crimes for several years and there's just massive types and bias against services that are no longer perceived as rescue services but as service providers that mustdo their job and shouldn't bother them if possible I found your comments again and more on that in a bit but first of all here everything you write is nice alabaster.
I am very horrified by the images themselves. I am an emergency paramedic and have never experienced anything like this. Squeeze writes that this mob is simply no longer afraid of legal consequences if the perpetrators are identified. most will slap their fingers they think that explains it so don't be afraid of the legal consequences they just mentioned too It's not about how paramedics are perceived in action but basically also the officers of the first responders rescue, so it's also part of the answer: they no longer fear legal consequences, as long as the perpetrators act in the group and usually it's small groups that walk together and just try to use violence, experience that as very positive and that is also fun etc. and it is not necessarily a crowd that somehow loses all the norms, but it is a group dynamic in which the groups also confirm themselves and then the violence creates the sense of belonging. as soon as the perpetrators are on trial they repent they say I don't even know how I got into the situation that's because they do it as a group and this violence suddenly creates a sense of ownership in the situation that's hard to understand but I think that we know such a violent staging We know them from football stadiums at many major events, we also saw the violence at Corona demonstrations, the Berlin police luckily had the document there and it shows something about the image of the police and the rescue services, also shows something about that. stopping factors are missing in the situation that we still have in mind on New Year's Eve in Cologne when sexualized violence occurred that we cannot explain simply by certain groups that are responsible for all this are group dynamics and the anticipation will take place this New Year's Eve in Al At the same time as this rearmament of the Fire Department, we could all see how much was bought there and the fireworks have become more and more professional because it is not estimated in advance if this can lead to violence, but we all think that the New Year's Eve fireworks are part of that definition because everyone can define it as part of our freedom in Germany fireworks that go off and this anticipation fades an expectation of violence and certainly there is a lack of preventive forces to stop the violence but you have to understand the dynamics of the group and the explanations simple do not work the ideals of masculinity play a role are mainly mainly young men who are there doing actions but also having to understand, there are always others in the background who motivate them, who then give self-esteem, so they pass it on to these social networks and those are the factors that we then consider dulling in society , we have yes I want to ask briefly, especially young men say that I have often read more assumptions about origin here in the comments I would like to ask a question from the fraxen here are official announcements that predominantly people with a migration background were involved , since a major newspaper wants to write today that it knows no, we don't have the data at the moment, we know that this is always discussed, we have seen that Berlin Neukölln was a hotspot where a lot of violence was happening now, but the origin will explain that only in you we have to define the origin, then we have to say that there are certain personality traits dispositions that are later seen they link to the origin generally the perpetrators also have German passports they are German citizens but of course these are spaces that are then defined by the groups these are our spaces and we defend these spaces and with On New Year's Eve we have fun defending ourselves by attacking with firecrackers these are groups which then partly refer to their origin, but then we have to say clearly that no, it does not work so easily if we differentiate groups according to their orientation of aggression there are many studies the show playing male roles images playing give n a role and we also have many perpetrators who then have an immigration record who are often much easier for the police to arrest because they are not expecting it at all now we see groups going in there masked and immediately disappearing from the room when chased , these ones who know how the police go down also chasing the police and that does not indicate that whether the immigration factor is a single or serious factor here, it's more just role models that we have to deal with and why has it escalated so much in New Year's Eve shape of all time I would like to know on YouTube because I think all the anticipation that we all had now the big party is coming up and now we are going to show ourselves in public, we are showing our rooms that New Year's Eve was really over the top. like a 22 23 event I actually expected it when I saw how many fireworks were sold and that these public spaces are always close The groups are now being visited because they want to use force to gain space and they were also strategies used by groups that were already there from beforehand, alcohol also has an effect, which is then a t-shirt, but many times it is used deliberately and to the extent that this New Year's Eve 22 23 has a history that we have to understand now because there are also the factors that create better prevention, that was the case in Cologne, we changed a lot of things in Cologne, the police proceeded differently, we hand them over, we create escape routes, we have to think about the alternatives we have we get into escalation situations with fireworks because a lot of people are standing there and then the fireworks go off they outdo each other at the fireworks you get into a higher bidding competition and then all of a sudden an assault happens that is portrayed as funny a rocket that goes off on the balcony and then all at once attacks this event as for all of a sudden he's the norm we're doing that all of a sudden every once in a while the situation escalates and Steffen J writes something very true because of course it is true, unfortunately he also writes I have been working in the volunteer fire brigade in the rescue service for many years, unfortunately there are no such events but has been writing to the same extent for years and not just on new year's eve and that's true and we probably all remember other great videos, for example in Stuttgart 2020 we also prepared a small clip that was also a video that went through the press right now i think i hope we can see it in a player unless there is a glitch.
I'll briefly describe for all of us what happened, so a police officer pinned a man to the ground and all of a sudden. he was kicked by another man Police from behind and bystanders applauded so it wasn't New Year's Eve also an amazing sitting uation and now to the question it also happened outside New Year's Eve that Professor Dr. Zick has now come back to us , so that would be my next question to you, so it's also violent outside of new year's eve why is that and society? What do you think? you put it back there, please come back to it for me.
We haven't heard it yet, so that happens in a lot of areas. We have often had it in football for a long time due to hooligan violence. the corona manifestations we have seen in the area of ​​profit-based hate acts it becomes obvious that our social norm comes into force that violence cannot be done is not as easy as we think violence is justified the violence is seen as an event and especially at important events, we have also seen many concerts where the rescue services block the way or it is perceived as a disturbance and this image of Di Ensten and we also saw that in the clip through the fireman who services were not taken as community services at all, but as a service as a service, which means that I do not intervene to help nor that I have some photos of the street that I take. we do not try to prevent and we just have to realize that we are often outraged by the violence that happened, so we take a look and say who is responsible, then we call the police again, who is being attacked, then the discussion returns to happen more police. better video surveillance that monitoring and reconnaissance and in the fallen field it is also very important preventively important that is outrageous but we also have few alternative concepts to the violence that is happening there, many people come who need an alternative concept and they just have to contact them they remember the norms we always think of norms that are somehow taught in schools since childhood and then it's good and then we all know the norm, it doesn't work like that, societies are changing and now we are realizing that we have many people who do not have this enormous resistance to violence. nothing of what happens on social networks, so that the retransmission of videos in front of the police is not perceived at all as violence by the victims themselves, even if they are attacked on social networks and the distance there is also too great a distance between the population and then the rescue services and law enforcement and what role does civil society play, that is, all of us around them, plays an important role because when we discuss with the rescue services with the fire brigades with the police then an important factor is they are attacked these attacks are documented they are uploaded on social media and mocked They just don't get help Rescue services also need support for the rescue and they think it has to go hand in hand somehow that doesn't exist that's also in the run up to new year's eve we looked at cologne new year's eve in detail and i just saw that to the po blation didn't care at all you think they themselves might be showing civil courage in some way that sounds really cool but just pay attention to where someone is being attacked and help is given to that person if they have escape routes that just it doesn't happen because we make a distinction we have such a security mentality in society when security is there then security must be there if security is broken then we have no idea why this is happening and maybe we should do something ourselves ourselves to protect others civil courage is not there once and for all and does not fall from the sky but something we have to learn and in great In modern societies, public spaces where we want everything to be open, this is much more necessary .
I see in the comments that there are also some very specific questions. Someone wanted to know, for example, would bodycams help, there are many small building blocks that we still need, how do you see this topic? So body cameras in America has shown a study, first of all, that wearing body cameras has increased the desire to rip off these body cameras from police and attack police and beat them up. Is not that. easy because camps have to be introduced we need transparency as it actually works securely many people don't understand how security works but they somehow perceive it as something alien to them police operations we did a lot in football stadiums because of the 1980s violence uses a new form of police only To rely only on security technology or public surveillance, we know from Britain that this mass public surveillance by cameras does not reduce violence on its own, rather people become It gets used to it and violent people who only want to use violence to gain space over other people don't mind that it needed a comprehensive concept and I think the idea of ​​thinking of alternatives we heard the fireman at the beginning said well in other countries it works but we should get advice on how Prevention works violence requires very different measures and the First measure is that by the coming New Year's Eve we now know where violence can most easily occur where it can escalate most easily there must be an alternative room concept because even in Berlin we have seen that in some places it works completely peacefully , it goes out lightly and certain rooms are attractive v to cause discomfort for the groups there and there must be a different concept.
The room concepts for new year's eve also call them in general to this great violence increasing violence against the emergency services where do you see a reaction or a responsibility of the policy what should be? of politics It's also good, of course, politicians should come forward in a protective way, they will too, but I think we need a comprehensive approach to the issue of violence in society because hate crimes that are based on certain prejudices are types more stereotypical of misanthropy. in Germany relatively high and you also have to think about it, not only do we have this form of overt violence that you see now, fire extinguishers are thrown at vehicles that firedirectly to the emergency services, rockets are also going to be fired at other groups that are not in a public space, only the rescuers and security services were attacked, but people from the civilian population were also fired on and we have to deal with the different facets of violence in society with violence that is then further historicized on social networks , real videos will be uploaded Gesc saddled we need a clear elaboration of which of the most diverse forms of violence and violence prevention issues that includes the insult to bother we have to understand all these different facets and take group dynamics much more seriously we have more and more groups that are transiting the cities that appear again and again and we also need a concept to approach the groups and think how we can manage conflicts more effectively, so the municipal management of violence and conflict plays a p The important role of having the Political capacity now we have to look at where there is really a lack of capacity not only in the order of the emergency services but also in the municipalities what is really needed to do a good prevention of violence says Professor Dr.
Andreas Zick thank you very much for being our guest tonight thanks a lot of you tei I also said that I saw a comment here Bans are the wrong way it attracts total sympathy sensible here you have to get to the causes a lot more and without speaking well of the causes that's what Professor Dr. Andreas Zick said. I have read about you and have also seen that many of you are active in the voluntary fire brigade as emergency services and of course rightly the following letter as Sascha Schäfer? When will we be better protected as a fire brigade from violence against us?
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s and help others but I Of course I don't want to get hurt in my job and that will probably keep us busy we'll keep an eye out for you and for now thank you for your interest today and have a good night bye
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