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Arbeitsminister Heil zu Fachkräftemangel in Deutschland | Markus Lanz vom 31. August 2022

Sep 01, 2022

Arbeitsminister Heil zu Fachkräftemangel in Deutschland | Markus Lanz vom 31. August 2022

we talk a lot about the fact that we have to make savings we talk surprisingly little specifically about exactly where we are avoiding the question of where we may be increasing taxes when i said that brücker will probably soon be relieved of a lesser load on the track in particular is also in order but less relief means no more taxes are debt brake says the fdp we do not do that under any circumstances the money has to come from somewhere we are making progress and spending even more money the key word for this is citizen money it is not about spend more money so the sum that impresses me i have to honestly say important how much do we give right now for hartz iv for what will soon be citizens followed by around 40 billion approximately well that’s not hartz 4 these are the basic security systems in total, for example also basic security in old age, for example, but that's one of the things that don't t are covered by unemployment insurance yes people are in existential need but to destroy the cliché the sin of citizen income is to get people back to work faster and to ensure that the system becomes less bureaucratic but overall there can be time to bear federal government for Hartz4 around 45 billion euros per year, ten billion of which are for accommodation and heating alone or not the last thing is true but I said earlier it is not just Hartz 4, so there are the basic security systems in certain areas and even a few more that's right it's about people who can't help themselves existentially the sum should increase no I'll tell you at this point how you have to talk about two things in different ways one is the question of how will the rule set, i.e. the support, be adjusted on January 1st and then i think we need an increase in inflation not lagging behind because the system m right now that means an increase with additional costs again these are people who have no reserves but the point is citizen income reform that was your question is how to deal differently with all the money that we are putting in there and I will give a practical example so that we can imagine it two third of the long-term unemployed people we have here we have not completed vocational training in the old system hartz iv system it is so that they place them in some kind of work they sound good at first the result is that the practitioners in the job center tell us how do you bring them in briefly and auxiliary activities but never permanently in work i want you to be able to catch up on your vocational qualifications because we really want you to be able to work with them by the way also when it comes to securing skilled workers then small how many people are we talking about moments in this system are the my basic security system at this point there are at to adults in this place about two million people w If I got that right in my head, the short-term unemployment has gone down, but that's the way it is overall, but there are also children in the system who have to get out as much as possible with the basic child security system very different some people when you talk about adults who are able to work it's roughly the number i just mentioned that's on the one hand and on the other hand we're talking about a blatant shortage of skilled workers yes and i have that in islam how how how do we bring it together the aim of the citizens' allowance is not to manage need but to get people out of it faster and with less bureaucracy wherever possible and one instrument i just mentioned is given to say other than that people who have missed an education get out of history we enable them to do that by forcing them you don't in activities i would say that are good in the short term but you don't cht get permanent work and the second thing is to do it in a practical example because there are very different people we have some too they have been out for a very long time i met a man he was unemployed for 22 years not because he was a lazy dog but because he had started an apprenticeship it was a stroke of fate that both his parents died in a car accident whoever dropped out of the apprenticeship who never steps back has been living on the street has now found work after 22 years although despite the shortage of skilled workers he still has a shortage of workers after 22 years outside even a friend didn't have a chance and he managed it because when we made social labor market for these people who have been outside for a long time to become janitors in elementary school i also experienced that work is more than bread so we need differentiated things and one last point you want to say we have to dev this 1.3 million people between 20 and 30 without initial vocational training and that's what I'll do in the statistics later see two thirds have not completed vocational training two bakers and say what is being done is unconditional basic income through the back door now are but why first of all i want to justify the very quick judgment they have the arguments are in the stables judgment better than i can see now you could do all of that openly so first of all i would say yes you are of course right if you take this one example and then we all agree immediately and say exactly what power you are i’m just saying i think that you want the activating welfare state the fears you just described, however, formulated very carefully, fear that in the model of the office gergelds at the end of the alimentation and the reason is because you design the citizens' income in the way you and your party have always actually wanted you to have hartz iv namely that you now give the famous leap of faith to the long-term unemployed by saying in the first six months, dear long-term unemployed, she will not receive any sanctions, even if you already accept the third or fourth offer of advice and job offers as you can, at the same time corrected says the citizen’s allowance should empower the unemployed right at the beginning and from my point of view the incentives are not set sufficiently that these people in get the job and i think that's based on 1.3 million vacancies we should do everything in my view do everything that these 1.1 million long-term unemployed people get jobs and not that we create a system that increases the assets that you don't touches that the penalties are a bit backwards ten pushes it's not as if it's all over now that you say funding now that's in the grants yes clarify first that this leap of faith isn't right in the first six months that's right as said he doesn't either I just want the connection explain i really did that you can imagine that it's not just because it's my job with practitioners affected people science bent over the current system one thing is the system of today is in 2002 i believe each other completely different labor market was created then we had five million unemployed we have just described we now have a situation more of a shortage of skilled workers the shortage of workers and that is why we need other systems that activate i described myself earlier it is above all about giving people a chance through qualifications in a working society that is changing which would otherwise only be an auxiliary job on the open labor market come, but we can use them, these are two-thirds of the long-term unemployed who, as I said, have not completed vocational training, secondly, with what you said, no, there will also be obligations to cooperate, even in the first six months if you chronically do not keep an appointment, this has legal consequences and also reduced benefits that is enshrined in the coalition and the draft law i just think that the debate at this moment about sanctions that have existed for many years is a bureaucratic juggernaut at this point that works as follows to put it in practice what the people from the job centers who are familiar with it was once well intentioned such an integration agreement so promote and demand you say what you do and tell the city what we help you actually a good idea in reality it is a text module box with legal information that no pig understands and there we said it's more about encouragement for the very stubborn cases there will also be a reduction in performance but to put everyone under general suspicion that they just have to work by printing let me be quite frank with black pedagogy we have not been able to do it in recent years although there was everything that was described next we need an unbureaucratic system and therefore two goals the system is so overgrown you have no idea how modest people are being bothered with people who have a psychosis, for example, there are quite a lot because many have a problem after many years of unemployment they can send a threat of a sanction ten times they don't open your post because you have to do it differently and that's why it's a system that reduces bureaucracy and it has two functions firstly our welfare state rightly says i'm from an activating welfare state but we have one place a constitutional obligation namely people who do not being able to help yourself to secure a socio-economic subsistence level that's the citizen's income and that has nothing to do with an unconditional basic income because the goal is and that's my view of human beings that work is more than where and where gamers go for people in work bring and not administer poverty or need but it must become unbureaucratic the city we must help people better and we will also do that with this law we will see whether it works outright woman swiss lack of skilled workers has already fallen several times we have a real problem there absolutely in all dimensions how do you make yourself somehow not clear teacher gives just so that the classification of the context is correct almost 800,000 teachers 44,000 people 40,000 people care 1.6 million jobs in care 200,000 banks banks i mean the working time of people always say that tomorrow we will no longer need all the people to do algorith men branches are closed the film 65,000 people says that the handelsblatt at the point solar industry energy transition yes 200,000 people the many craftsmen work 5.6 million people damage us 250,000 people so my question to you before schnitzer first of all what does that mean where do we get these people from and is my bad suspicion possibly correct that what has been projected by demographers for many years, who say that at some point in the 1920s bu marvin will retire and at some point they will have a real problem, we will simply go people over is that what is happening right now because the explanation there so many people have not returned to the job after corona because they are poorly paid in gastronomy, for example, the staff at that point no longer covers everything that is happening much too briefly because what is really coming at us right now, it is actually really a violence current number of missing forces we are facing in the next 15 years and ten million people are missing how much 7 million people we will be missing in 7,000,000 were really born are exactly what the job market here likes of workers if everything stays the way it is if everything it stays as it is we can talk right now about how we can prevent that but that would be the projection and why is it that the baby boomers are saying they are retiring and the baby watch didn’t have enough children that’s exactly the generations In the 1960s people now women only had 1.6 children that's just not enough that means how many do we need? that doesn't sound right anymore because I'm missing millions of course now they'll be missing millions if nothing changes now can one think about what could be changed, could one make sure that people work more per week that would be something about it unions and employers should now negotiate whether they might deal with the fact that people are willing to work longer because they would then have more money what would be the effects if we said 40 hours instead of 38 i can’t tell you the numbers now but it would definitely have if the effect is available for work and maybe one or the other would be willing to do maybe in a phase where he doesn't have children yet but maybe already wants to finance the house there are phases like that where you might be very happy to do so so do more flexibility instead work more work sometimes less that would help what should that be that next time could think about the fact that people work longer and you can argue about it should you make it mandatory or should you do it alone by the way, volunteering in japan is an interesting example, many people in japan still work after de When I retire, which is 65, it's still further up to 90, so I didn't want to despair myself of a graffin analysis, they need the chemical ones, even if we do it voluntarily, because they also get attractive conditions, that's almost the point at that point the companies think about how
arbeitsminister heil zu fachkr ftemangel in deutschland markus lanz vom 31 august 2022
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