Arbeitsminister Heil zu Fachkräftemangel in Deutschland | Markus Lanz vom 31. August 2022
We talk a lot about the fact that we have to save. Surprisingly, we spoke little specifically about exactly where we're avoiding the question of where we may be raising taxes when I said that Brücker will likely soon be relieved of a minor track charge. in particular is also in order but less relief means no more taxes debt brake says pdf we don't do that under any circumstances the money has to come from somewhere we are making progress and spending even more money the key word for this is citizen money it's not about spending more money so the sum impresses me i have to say honestly important how much we give right now for hartz iv for soon to be citizens followed by around 40 billion or so well that's not hartz 4 these are the basic security systems in total, for example also basic security in old age, for example, but that is one of the things that are not covered by unemployment insurance, yes, people have an existential need, but for destroy the cliché, the sin of citizen income is to get people back to work faster and ensure that the system becomes less bureaucratic, but in general there may be time to support the federal government for Hartz4 about 45 billion euros a year, ten billion of which is just for accommodation and heating or not, the latter is true, but I said before that it is not just Hartz 4 , so there are the basic security systems in certain areas and even some more that's correct it's about people who can't help themselves existentially the sum should increase no I'll tell you at this point how you have to talk about two things in different ways one is the question of how the rule will be set i.e support it will be adjusted on January 1st and then I think we need an increase in inflation that doesn't lag behind because the m system at the moment that means an increase with additional costs again these are people who have no reserves but the point is citizen income reform that was your question how do you deal differently with all the money we are I'm putting you there and I'll give a practical example? so that we can imagine two thirds of the long-term unemployed that we have here have not finished their professional training in the old system hartz iv system is to be placed in some type of job sounds good at first the result is that the practitioners in the job center tell us how you bring them to brief and ancillary activities but never permanently on the job I want you to be able to catch up with your vocational qualifications because we really want you to be able to work with them by the way also when it comes to protecting workers qualified, so small, how many people are we talking about?
The moments in this system are my basic security system at this point. There are even adults in this place. about two million people w If I get that right in my head, short-term unemployment is down, but that's the way it is in general, but there are also children in the system who have to get out as much as possible with the basic security system child very different some people when you talk about adults who can work is more or less the number that I just mentioned that on the one hand and on the other hand we are talking about a glaring shortage of skilled workers yes and I have that in islam how how how we integrate it?
The goal of citizen allocation is not to manage need, but to get people out of it faster and with less red tape whenever possible, and an instrument that I just mentioned is given to say that people who have missed out on the education comes out of the story, we allow them to do that by forcing them not to participate in activities, I would say they are good in the short term, but I don't cht get a permanent job and the second thing is to do it in a practical example because there are very different people, we have some too, have been away for a long time, i knew a man who was unemployed for 22 years, not because he was a lazy dog but because he had started an apprenticeship it was a stroke of fate that his parents died in a car accident who dropped out of the apprenticeship who never backs down has been living on the street has now found a job after 22 years though despite a shortage of skilled workers still have a shortage of workers after 22 years away, even a friend didn't get a chance and made it because when we created the social labor market for these people who have been away for a long time to become janitors in primary school I also experienced that the work is more than bread, so we need differentiated things and one last point, do you mean that we have to develop this 1.3 million people between 20 and 30 years old without initial professional training and that is what I will do in the statistics later I see two thirds have not finished professional training two bakers and they say that what is being done is an unconditional basic income through the back door now they are but why in the first place, I want to justify the very quick judgment they have, the arguments are in the stables judgment better than i can see now you could do all of that openly so firstly i would say yes of course you have reason if you take this for an example and then we all agree right away and say exactly what power you are i'm just saying i think you want to activate the welfare state the fears you just described however very carefully phrased fear that in the model of the gergelds office at the end of the feed and the reason is that you design the income of the citizens in the way that you and your party have always wanted you to have hartz iv, that is, that you now take the famous leap of faith to the long-term unemployed by saying in the first six months, dear long-term unemployed, that you will not receive any penalties, even if you already accept the third or fourth offer of advice and job offers that you can, at the same time corrected says that the citizen's allowance should empower the unemployed from the start and in my view the incentives are not set enough for these people to get the job and create I think that's based on 1.3 million job openings.
In my opinion, we should do everything possible so that these 1.1 million unemployed get jobs and not that we create a system that increases the assets that does not touch that the sanctions fall a little behind ten pushes it is not as if everything had finished now you say funding now that's in the grants yes clarify first that this leap of faith is not ok in the first six months that's correct as he said he didn't either just want the connection explain i really did it can be imagined not it's just because it's my work with practitioners affected people science inclined about the current system one thing is today's system is in 2002 i think a completely different job market was created then we had five million unemployed just described now we have a more situation of shortage of skilled workers the shortage of workers and that is why we need other systems that are activated I described myself previously it is treated It is above all about giving people an opportunity through qualifications in a job society that is changing and that would otherwise be just an auxiliary job in the open labor market come on, but we can use them, they are two thirds of the unemployed in long-term who, as I said, have not finished their professional training, second, with what you have said, no, there will also be obligations to cooperate, even in the first six months if you chronically do not attend an appointment, this has legal consequences and also it reduces the benefits that is enshrined in the coalition and the bill I just think the debate right now about sanctions that have been around for many years is a bureaucratic giant at this point that works like this to put it into practice what the people in the workplaces who are familiar with it once meant such an integration agreement to promote and demand that you say what you do and say go to town what we helped actually a good idea actually is a text module box with legal information that no pig understands and there we said that it's more of an encouragement for the very stubborn cases there will also be a reduction in performance , but to put everyone under the general suspicion that they only have to work by printing, let me be quite frank with black pedagogy, we have not been able to do it in recent years, although there was everything that was described below, we need a system not bureaucratic and therefore two objectives: the system is so grown that it has no idea how modest people are bothered with people who have psychosis, for example, there are quite a few because many have a problem after many years of unemployment te they can send a threat of sanction ten times they do not open the position for you because you have to do it differently and that is why it is a system that reduces bureaucracy and has two functions first our welfare state rightly says m of an active welfare state but we have a place a constitutional obligation namely people who cannot help themselves to ensure a level of socioeconomic subsistence which is the income of the citizen and who has nothing to do with an unconditional basic income because the objective is and that is my vision of human beings that work is more than where and where the players go the people who work bring and do not manage poverty or need, but the bureaucratization must be de-bureaucratized city, we must help people better and we will do it with this law too, we will see if it works directly, swiss woman, the lack of skilled workers has already decreased several times. there is a real problem there absolutely in all dimensions how do you do it somehow?
It is not clear. The teacher gives only so that the context classification is correct. of the people always say that tomorrow we will no longer need all the people to do algorithms the men the branches are closed the film 65,000 people say the handelsblatt on point solar industry energy transition yes 200,000 people the many artisans work 5.6 million of people we get hurt 250,000 people so my question to you before schnitzer first of all what does that mean where are we going to get these people and is my bad suspicion possibly correct that what demographers have projected for many years who say that in sometime in the 1920s bu marvin is going to retire and at some point they're going to have a real problem we're just going to go people over is what's going on right now because the explanation is a lot of people haven't come back to work after the corona because they are poorly paid in gastronomy, for example, the staff at that time no longer cover everything that is happening too briefly for that what is really coming our way right now, is actually really a violence current number of missing forces that we will face in the next 15 years and ten million people will be missing how much 7 million people will be missing in 7,000,000 born really are exactly what likes the job market here from workers if everything stays the way it is if everything stays the way it is we can talk right now about how we can avoid that but that would be the projection and why the baby boomers say they will retire and the baby watch he did not have enough children, that is exactly the reason. generations In the 1960s people now women only had 1.6 children that's not enough that means how many we need that doesn't sound good anymore because I'm missing millions of course now they'll be missing millions if nothing changes now you can think about what could be changed , could one make sure that people work more per week?
That would be something about it. unions and employers should now negotiate if they could deal with the fact that people are willing to work longer because then they would have more money what would be the effects if we say 40 hours instead of 38? I can't tell you the numbers right now but I definitely would if the effect is available for work and maybe one or the other would be willing to do it maybe in a phase where you don't have kids yet but maybe already want to finance the house there are phases like the one you could be very happy to do so do more flexibility instead work more sometimes less that would help what should that be?
Next time you could think about the fact that people work longer and you can discuss about whether or not you make it mandatory. by the way, volunteering in japan is an interesting example, many people in japan still work after the When I retire, which is at 65, it's still past 90, so I didn't want to despair of a graffiti analysis , they need the chemicals, even if we do it voluntarily, because they also have attractive conditions, that's almost the point at that point companies think about how to find the people who have to do it too, we may have done a classification, just started the question on the back once the retirement age rises for everyone for you man I'm all for being flexible for retirement but we'll hit 67 and again there'sjobs you can't work until you're 70 it's the truth so there are jobs too because there are no rabbits I always say jobs and if it's not possible they are represented but that's all for me that's where it's possible for you there you will still be A the 70s here, according to my model, but I'll say it again: the quality of life, Franconia's sister, you have to have another, so to speak, and not so few are the economy together with the social partners in the fall which is the biggest potential guess what women have 76 percent of the workforce in germany 71 percent for men and ten percent for women over the wall so that would be around 900 1000 more skilled workers we have already selected in germany that is a matter of how you manage to do it with a good work-life balance. everything is enough in the end one is correct I say that 1 speaks of the greatest potential in second place I no longer assure that on the one hand it speaks of a lack of qualified workers and at the same time 1.3 million people have no training between 20 and 30 get up to speed day with development through career guidance digging up the next generation third to make up for it make sure we also have attractive professions and there will also be automation by the way there will be certain areas where technical progress will also replace human labor through demographics, but also through productivity gains and when we've got all these records out, this gigantic task will become one, moreover, mainly solid Skilled immigration to Germany 100,000 per year that's the same and less secondment so we should have to talk about that probably true speaking gross 1 45 million 1.5 million jobless but of course his children are there too so overall these five million are coming to us because currently the numbers with us are gone again that means having a net 400 more here per year we need 1.5 million we have arrived to that at certain times but currently we are reaching 900,000 this year unplanned i will appreciate the work here these are refugee women with children mostly from ukraine i want us to do the following first let us know less waste also make it a problem second we will make an immigration law that will arrive in the fall there is the fastest it was too bureaucratic it is not about wanting anyone to say that clearly how it looks that will be in the first place criticize what we have an office that we give a two-point system like in Canada , for example, we also need potential for increases but everything would be useless the most liberal and intelligent qualified amendment law if it does not solve the prá practice problems to grant a visa acquisition of languages at this point the recognition of qualifications that are taxes is not the main issue and in 1 I don't say I have I have yes you always know people who pay high taxes because they have people with good income I go on a craftsman and the wild trades are concerned at this point too not too much we can also go through the taxes the others but the city center all the bureaucracy and education brings your children to these schools that are not digitized so that you are in all German elementary schools and make the lamb it can be easy for us too but we still want to see the miraculous economic class too almost d ass our statesman because I'm not in the mood we can and can be yourself you are absolutely right there can also be I don't like the idea that everyone just wants to go to Germany so just because of the language, Anglo-Saxon countries have spa ngol or francophones this advantage that we do not have but perhaps in the east in natori how do you want to round off but speak of course that it is about the attractiveness of the beacon he likes to have it again very clear but that is that they are not the big eight that is not the main reason yes that's not the main reason why I really have myself and science is also not the main reason why we don't have skilled immigration like not only in the high potential areas but also in the area of workers and skilled workers I just want and there this coalition has a great opportunity because with the union we would not have been able to commit to the fact that wi r needs skilled immigration and 110 we also have skilled workers in this country who came for other reasons and when it comes to companies medium people say don't get pushed the wrong ones the right ones get deported but there are people you can really use here we need solutions pragmatic yes and I would say give positions that in the fall nancy faeser and I will present a federal law and we will also solve the practical problems because you are right and that is what is behind it the specialists hold that this is just beginning that may be the biggest brake on growth and prosperity for this stand and that is why it is a top issue for me it only works with the common economy, they must be evaluated, they also have to tell people that the state cannot do everything on its own but we have to cut payments correctly I would like see and I still have a related question right now is it correct as I do it in my head, every ten to 15 years so to speak our average life span increases by a year, that we would continue to age, not all of us, well unfortunately, no everyone, but luckily, statistically, that's the way it is for us, for example, it's not about people who think little by little come and work hard, by the way, not while I've Let's talk about that that it has to have a consequence at some point it doesn't automatically follow that we have to increase working time, lifetime working time and therefore the retirement age, that's what you have because in Actually he does what we as experts have, but other experts say that of course they also suggest, but only before I receive the next letters that I come to receive. after a mailing like that, always a lot of letters from people who are about to reach retirement age and say how come they are asking me to go to work longer will affect that, so what do we propose? and to whom do we specifically propose the relevant plus life expectancy per work year eight months plus four months plus retirement period so what does that mean that the current retirement age of 67 will be reached by those who were born in 1964 for the first time? time, if we now think about when that will happen then I would add something to that 67, that would be the case for the generation that was born 15 years older than 50 years later, think eight months, so I said a full year is not ten years, it's 15 years only every ten years life expectancy increases by one year so i can work another year otherwise we are 15 years old it's that fast if you think of me 1064 now counting +15 we see in 1979 that's who would then have to work until 68 and then you add another 15 years and another 15 years then look when we see 70 that's the interesting question the 70 over so many I talked about these are people who are now 13, the current 13 year olds would have to work until 70 if we do this calculation, I say I hope they can do it, I say there is an alternative and I said yes. again your model and that's why I see I'm in favor of flexible transitions because people who converted in 1979 are actually allowed to embezzle and I know some who are now probably 43 61 where I can as examples yes or better said, not bridge in so far example, but classmates from my hometown who work in other professions who are also a year older than retirement age we are at 67 hours on the upper edge of industrialized nations by the way if i see that correctly they will never achieve that and if they create flexible transitions then they punish people who have worked hard and never make it it is actually a pension cut at the expense of the middle and younger generation so my consideration is different we have the instrument of the flexible, for example, a very good instrument for me, by the way, we have for the people that we decided today that they retired earlier, we said, we said that also Te Having people with a reduced earning capacity is a big problem for people who wanted to work in it, but not for health reasons. so work is qualifications and health at work is also a big party for insurance says we are on the am brücker show however made a short call to ask anyway life isn't just math , but you can't turn off the math either, so you should at least test all the measures that also lead to people retiring early, like the pension at 63 they just had on their screens, never like the opposite of that we really need now I think you have a smart suggestion from the experts and it's a shame that this taboo topic is never really discussed and in this coalition it's also being covered up by all sorts of measures and no one talks about the fact that at the end of 20 years we are retired with our health standards and at some point it can't be financed anymore if I don't want the pension level which I'm sure you understand then we have to find other measures p To find a lot of older people who would like more but we are the only ones who have the same thing it's not always just that I would have described alternatives that are flexible transitions and I would say again that we are realistic the ultimate reality is that we are still emotionally in all aspects not at all end at the end and things like that long we continue and germany too