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Deutscher Wohlstand am Abgrund? | Markus Lanz vom 06. September 2022

Sep 07, 2022

Deutscher Wohlstand am Abgrund? | Markus Lanz vom 06. September 2022

robert habeck yesterday announced the result of this stress test two german nuclear power plants will be taken off the grid at the end of 22 and will continue to work in reserve mode until april how satisfied are you with this decision the question is what is the objective of this decision there is one that says we want prevent a blackout blackout means if at some point in this crisis in winter we get into a situation where the power grid suddenly breaks down, then it could also happen what you call urging with consequences that no one wants and that is, so to speak, a safety measure in a rather very unlikely case because that was also made clear at the press conference that you just said okay you have that as a reserve but that's not really the game changer when it comes to the high prices when it comes to the whole other topic please let us there stay and let's wake up the round because i think that's what people want really interested explain to me once i'm not a physicist after that i'm curious about the mathematician in the round why isn't that a game changer i read leonhard birnbaum the chairman of the board from before and he said of course that has a significant effect if we use these reactors let it continue because the name simply means more electricity on the market and when the prices grow so exponentially then of course it has an impact on the price development why do you say no for several reasons so the first is relevant we are talking about what is currently
deutscher wohlstand am abgrund markus lanz vom 06 september 2022
in German power plants is produced by a straw man part that is rather small it is in the order of 6 7 percent that is not much compared to other countries a little bit a little bit what the second thing is we have this summer if we really look at nuclear energy remain actually interesting lesson learned from france because france not only has the pro The problem is that they have many reactors that are being repaired, which are very old, but due to the low level, they were forced to shut down many nuclear power plants and were happy that there was electricity from Germany in the form of solar or wind energy, so and and gas and gas also but we have we have everything and that is the point i want to get at we have this year and that also the question to boris palmer and then roderich kiesewetter offered everything that is in the topic we have this year in may and in july more gas was turned into electricity than ever before in the history of this country and to be honest i can't deal with it as a normal citizen anymore my feeling is that the government will soon send me a responsible official who will stand in my bathroom in the morning and see how how long do you actually have to and above all how exactly does it share and at the same time we do this valuable gas and there is another aspect, namely h the question from the industry, on the other hand, is that jobs are really being created in large numbers across the wupper simply and poignantly why are we pouring in this
deutscher wohlstand am abgrund markus lanz vom 06 september 2022
valuable gas so carelessly that there is not a simple answer but there is one that ultimately has to do with the fact that you have followed the wrong strategy for years we all know that gas was incredibly cheap we got gas here in germany from a nation so you can be for or against russia but any normal person would say if i have such an important asset then i take a broader view of myself I didn't have just one supplier, so to speak, but several. That wasn't the case and as a result, due to the low prices, something developed where people said okay, we use gas in the form of, for example, combined heat and power, he says, that's a long-term sin that we committed have and which is slowly falling on our feet I mean we have a real problem and that's always a problem eme that is related to decisions that were made incorrectly years ago, you see the past as well, yes, I agree, of course, we find von raoul’s argument interesting because he said that France has a problem in the summer, I’m in Hamburg this morning woke up noticed winter is clearly approaching that means summer is not an argument the question is what is happening this winter and even if you ask why it makes no sense to let nuclear power plants continue to run this electricity we say we need everything that can still be used a bit at least okay so if it's the question of nuclear power then the first argument is purely quantitative it's not a game changer for that there are simply too few left ten years ago we would
deutscher wohlstand am abgrund markus lanz vom 06 september 2022
have talked a different amount now it is even so small we're only talking about those who are still running and that's not the game changer and the decision that robert can be habeck is wise insofar as there is a change ahead in the law, so far the operation of a nuclear power plant has been banned after december 31 and what has now been announced is that this ban will be postponed to the end of april i think that’s what it means his suggestion is a legal possibility that we don't have to use these power plants in an emergency that seems to me to be quite appropriate for the situation but it can't be a game changer the amount is too small for that I'm hearing party politics right now. words how do you see that's not partisan politics, but if we see that the nuclear power plants that we have provide around 5 to 6 percent of the electricity then it means something different for baden-wuerttemberg and bavaria we are currently for southern germany where the industrial heart beats and hopefully for a long time how to get relief the second point you have your constituency there too yes and he will we will be elected directly he in tübingen and i all know what we have big companies here we have companies that produce batteries but also for the monsters gas-intensive are in mechanical engineering and others so or the paper industry so ready the power plants can continue to run but now comes the point i would convert this time to the population then a rich three nuclear power
deutscher wohlstand am abgrund markus lanz vom 06 september 2022
plants have some power generation for ten million people i don’t want to say now we have to have the three of them we have already shut it down it would also be extended to 94 million people but to put it in a nutshell that the electricity generation for ten million people and the second point that we have to do, in addition to the extension, is that we then remove the last pascal power plants from the electricity price system if we had a relief i think that's the short on condition immunity robert habeck quoted the winner i got the external one he admitted these days that the continued operation of the nuclear power plants is exactly this argument would above all push these more expensive gas power plants out of the market that means translated the price of electricity would drop or not just sometimes inside we actually need something else for that there are so many gas-fired power plants on the market that their price is always the one that determines what the electricity costs on the exchange that's a bit complicated but to put it quite simply if i'm running a solar system with it today just as much as a year ago because the sun has not become more expensive that is 67 18 kilowatt hours of this electricity if I generate 6 78 cents a kilowatt hour for it and the tübingen public utility company generates two thirds of tübingen’s electricity requirements from solar and wind where are yours wind farms and their photo greiner just outside of thuringia but at least in
deutscher wohlstand am abgrund markus lanz vom 06 september 2022
parts we all bathe in germany and we also have them as far away as brandenburg that means the stadtwerke tübingen operate wind parks and solar systems throughout germany that was a strategy that i have been promoting for climate protection reasons for the last 16 years my argument was if you didn’t earn any money with it then it is In any case, you don't earn a lot of climate protection with it for nothing, but we were able to do climate protection and that's why today as a state we have two thirds of our own electricity from the sun and how I produce it today is just as cheap as it was from that year the production is just as easy as selling rodents the electricity is for ten times the price on the exchange because the price is not determined by the average value of the production costs - that's how you might think as a consumer, but the most expensive power plant that was still needed determines the price for everything and the most expensive power plant is becoming a gas power plant vargas far too expensive and removing all gas-fired power plants from the market will not succeed even if the nuclear power plants would continue to run because we have 13 percent gas power generation 06 atomic that means the pricing of grass power does not stay cheaper because we still need gas only one in operation is the same Expensive as before I'm assuming first ejects at the prize if nothing there we would have to yes if I was entirely with you mr kiesewetter we would have to override
deutscher wohlstand am abgrund markus lanz vom 06 september 2022
the mechanism with which the electricity prices are formed let's be overridden again very briefly we consider your municipal utilities in tübingen to be earning right now a golden nose in this crisis as with the power plants that sell against the market we can earn ten times more than we have costs in the production hall that means they make the public utility no exception that means they make random profits are purely random profits crisis was i think if they are taxed extra for being taxed i I speak against the fact that I make these profits so we calculated on a basis is regulated of seven cents and I would like a decent return on equity of 5 then I would like to be able to sell for 8 cents but I don't want to sell for 70 cents on the stock exchange because the money is missing somewhere else because now the producers of electricity are earning a golden nose that they are completely different on the road coal is no different i was the production price has only doubled if the selling price has increased tenfold they still make immense profits and we didn't invest in coal-fired power plants because we wanted to be ecological, then the producers of electricity generated gigantic random profits which, on the other hand, drove industrial companies into ruin and burdened household coffers so much that we later said that social peace had fallen, that's why i was against these profits at one point very briefly and since only knows even the most interesting n and can go straight
away maybe unsure kiesewetter i don't know if alice motor is in the picture so well but the question who is earning is so unbelievably good that's the old law of the stock exchange yes the big ones the money is never gone it only has who else makes losses so who is who who are they who are just really dumb and stupid earning their public utilities that is a very small player bitterly who else would I be then they would interrupt the big matches so that the people outside really understand you how does it work that the electricity market is really complicated but when it comes to pricing we are not talking about there being some bad people the st claims but a lot of money right now merit order model yes and it basically has to do with it i'll break it down with that man really understand it let's assume we all become suppliers we can't use electricity let's say exactly we produce no idea apples ok so there are apples from tübingen, yes, there are good apples, there are red roses, these apples, they can be made for a euro piece, you simply make a number, that's the way it is, that's the way it is, and in this group of five people each can deliver 10 apples, so we need them in the end we have to get 50 apples together now the question on the market is how do we do that because there are apples by

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from south tyrol they are hand how should i put it disassembled and in contrast to the production costs of one euro we cost 10 euros have a market and that's exactly what
you have to understand that means in the end you say i need 50 apples and now it's about what is the price how does it come about and there is the most expensive one, so to speak, which automatically determines the rest that's how it works in the very simple our electricity market today that means those who basically for the sun yes you don't have to pay anything for the wind either but the lignite the hard coal or that he should also this ta ge with the colleagues of the paw interesting comparison also read with apples funnily enough who made it even clearer said there is a demand for ten apples interchangeable goods yes everything the peaks are like at the same price and there is a demand for an eleventh apple then the price go up until either one gets out and because he can no longer afford that expensive apple or someone is willing to get that eleventh apple somewhere else for a lot of money and the prices for the other ten automatically go up that's it so to speak, the story there is no real the gentlemen are about that's easy that's capitalism example because we should maybe ask a very fundamental question namely is energy really a market why in a normal market don't buy in pully then i'll find out at some point is too expensive for me and I don't buy offered demand but with energy in an i industrial country we depend on it that means we don't have to say the corridor we also lean back and get through this winter without gas but the entire debate shows how dependent we
are what we need it and for me that's the question to what extent these market mechanisms are the because you put it on there, they also have advantages
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