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Gesundheitsminister Lauterbach: Kommunikatives Desaster? | Markus Lanz vom 01. September 2022

Sep 02, 2022

Gesundheitsminister Lauterbach: Kommunikatives Desaster? | Markus Lanz vom 01. September 2022

mask fix in the fall we start again with the 42 mask on the plane yes that is actually the case we will have your situation in the fall where we have to protect ourselves well against infection and with the masks the next consideration is the variant b to 5 which with the one we are fighting at the moment and which will probably also form the basis of the expert council statements in the fall, which we will have to deal with in the fall. This is much more contagious than what we had last fall contagious variant than last fall and that can also take the form of many vaccinations so it raises the question here if you are already wearing a mask if the mask works yes or no and my position on this is very clear and that was still most of the experts if you already have a mask then it should work too so pdf 2 are doing its not good to bother me with the mask so subject it to two hours and I don't have protection that I need so well is that the alarmism that you talked about from there we not only have that it is just that it is the only rule that the federal government has agreed to in other rules that they have agreed to do not understand the countries are not Me I was left alone with the implementation.
gesundheitsminister lauterbach kommunikatives desaster markus lanz vom 01 september 2022
I hear from nursing home hospitals that they now have to appoint officers, even though they always have in the past. To say why there is additional red tape for us now and the different rules in the federal states is simply not. well it made more sense when we had a uniform rulebook i think we agreed on that and they couldn't make it pdf compliant and then they had to click and then it ended up being in each state another guideline and people couldn't abide by the guideline anymore coming once is very short these days we gave il because we are always being accused there is someone sitting there in the form of the Federal Minister of Health who is spreading panic and that does not come from just anyone marco buschmann the man we see there in the background the Minister of Justice with whom you negotiated this infection protection law who said these days about panic and obviously warned you that I don't believe in anything and there was a very interesting scene maybe they'll take a look and explain everything about the forces that are drifting apart at the moment, so to speak, within this federal government shutdown the law doesn't provide for that and frankly that's right and important too but of course It's conceivable that there's a variant that affects children in particular, for example, that's particularly difficult to execute related to that it's conceivable, we don't think that's the case, but if that were the case, it would come of course, come into I play § 28a and then we go back to a completely different pandemic situation, but that can by no means be assumed now, but that was based on a resolution of the German Bundestag.
gesundheitsminister lauterbach kommunikatives desaster markus lanz vom 01 september 2022
It's not that easy to do just because we are talking about the issue of expectation safety just a dangerous variant for children why do you do that? the stronger i give up i understand the health concern but to the point that you know what happened next first look at the thing then say it It should not be assumed that now it will not happen but no one will hear it for the first time. The alarm button has already been pressed. It's not correct, but the alarm seemed funny. prepared if a particularly dangerous variant came out then i have to say i understand i understand that you actually could have been asked about it they didn't even g they just released it without any need as we now understand why they are doing it i pointed out that we are prepared for all eventualities, which is true, and I also think I know what the content is in terms of the fact that overall, I got what I wanted in these negotiations, unless I still have demands that I should have followed through on, only then i'll be all ears, in any case, it's like that, we also got what the atzen wanted together that and therefore everything is good that it has already been done with the imf record that just forgets that it was not negotiated at all, it is not part of infection protection law plus registration so I'm easy cascading compass and that's the question so we have yes no mandatory vaccinations if we had an additional obligation now, we would be in a completely different position, then we would have a lot, then they would be particularly dangerous and some groups better leave because we did not succeed it did not work because they played an important role they acted like this outside the Union they acted as if it were for compulsory vaccination but they did their best to make sure it didn't get out so you accepted that's what happened to me and then you hid behind the demand for a record but yeah my disposition is wonderful but that's just a paraphrase of what I just said that you asked for together with the day before yesterday and with a record It would have been easier to enforce the more data we had, really, but at a time when I was not yet a minister, the first to be vaccinated in practice without any documentation, who will now know exactly where people live, the world sat there now, so forget it. the preparatory work for a life that we would have done we had to do at a time when I was not yet responsible right, to put it very clearly, the data we receive from the practices are, to put it in some way, completely useless for the information of Yesterday, we did not pay anything there when they had the data from the five centers, yes, but that is only a fraction.
gesundheitsminister lauterbach kommunikatives desaster markus lanz vom 01 september 2022
Well, I say now there was not even an active cross in Berlin for vaccinated in front of medical practices. I know that we first vaccinated the traditional one in which also kept the proportion in medical practices let everything not work like that a smoke screen is not like that i was in the bathroom myself but i think it looked completely different now that the health senator put it differently so we really want to do the registration now so we would all have to track down the people who say damos are female but have never registered so we have to look at the people say dear mr langs we can ask if maybe he's been vaccinated a lot of pension y z so far no comment so he's top notch gay but yeah ok but with me on the frieze then you have to close early so if you close early then you can build something to bring you.
gesundheitsminister lauterbach kommunikatives desaster markus lanz vom 01 september 2022
It is not quite correct. It's not thick enough. the registry had more in berlin even a special measure that was rare than in berlin sometimes an extraordinary function is that we had the work duly registered and as far as we know in berlin next to the vaccination center who was vaccinated and when and they were able to do that also follows him even if something and basically shows, among other things, what situation he has been in for so long that's why the interesting thing is to let it happen now Borowski was then actually with the Kiel variant we were with all these things and with the children the chances could be worth it I'll give you my opinion Mr.
gesundheitsminister lauterbach kommunikatives desaster markus lanz vom 01 september 2022

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what you hear when this press conference was followed by colleagues of people from the berlin company who no longer looked at it individually, perhaps not so deeply into the depths of the law of infection protection, then they said, but why does the bill also contain something about the epidemic situation of national scope? ional? and that's the problem you're causing with your communication that you're releasing some kind of adjustment to people and to be honest you can't blame anyone for that because if you do you can deal intensely with the Infection Protection Act, but you don't have to and it's clear with such an adjustment that something could happen and then you could pull school closures and contact restrictions and curfews out of the drawer again that's right to be honest we were terribly forthcoming who sat down I also think it's 1 and that it's in a situation where people are restless anyway now that fall is starting a everyone is worried about gas prices, inflation about something else and of course also yes crown I think it's your job as a health minister to take precautions and report on the dangers, but not say anything about what you say at the same time. that there is no evidence that you won't survive the criticism is just unfair i don't work all summer i'm not alone but you don't let anyone go like i said they said that's your job so that resonates with you i wouldn't no i don't have that's because So clearly your fake communication swingers were enough of course, but I just want to say that, in contrast to previous summers, this ministry basically hasn't been about me, it's about the employees, we worked all summer, we work on it so prepare a vaccination drive lemme say i have a t for one i didn't shut down at all i think the law is ok i said yes ireland didn't cite correctly i think i don't blame anyone for not do nothing during the summer, that's not the point, the point is that you communicate in this way and therefore create uncertainty for which there is no reason at all, I say yes, that would be a reproach if they ask me if we are pre standing still for all eventualities, also, for example, for a difficult variation that could come and I then say that I don't expect it to come, but it will come, we are really prepared, so we have to be careful, people who do not criticize are not the people who are critical in communication, but people who just don't want to. hear some more krone ears hear from me that's over there's nothing more to come we don't need to be but that's the strengthening in the world you always have says you didn't say that in answer to the question you just have to count on a variant a little more difficult but you could since you said that's why the order of the two sentences is now the signal that we would not have been interested if it were not for the bushmann colleague in his interview, that would have been useful and would have scared me as a colleague before how great the conversation with you was, yes, then also say, let's talk to those who had the conversation, the interview was good that.
gesundheitsminister lauterbach kommunikatives desaster markus lanz vom 01 september 2022
I would have done it therefore but still don't bother if it's not about bushmen you would have been the one to say something alarmist that we don't like it and that is of course a dispute between minister Weisweiler made me smart about that en we leave it open but the content is yet to be decided we are well prepared we are prepared even for the worst case scenario i said definitely i dont think they are going around in circles i understand you understand anyway m mr

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like someone always you are a rhinelander trained rhinelander can communicate that he knows how to talk can understand that people feel that way or if a word like killer variant is included btw that was also a term that was talked about a lot and or for example the word information suddenly appeared in the world, didn't people have the feeling?
I am often asked about it. People say what are they doing now. Please explain to me. It's crazy that I know it's not understood that way and we'll talk about it right now and explain that maybe one day the communication will work but the damage is what it has to be but that was the question yeah so there's possibilities for that. to express it in such a way that the content is transmitted and, to put it another way, people no longer want to hear that, people no longer want it to be heard and still people do not want to hear that there may be variants that can be very dangerous but they also lose the benevolent ones drain the water again people like me will do it all the time yes but people like you are right people I don't want to hear that there are actually indications in many studies that the long setting can go hand in hand with the inflammation in the brain.
People don't want to hear that you could but I didn't say if I pointed out that it's also for a lot of young people so it's informational relevant the question is but I remember I often sat here with the politician karl

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and I remember we often talked about how much truth a politician really has to expect from the people and I remember they often had it back then so that a bit of sheer ruse well if something is gone it's a lie for a long time very briefly now discuss and speak like the doctor like the scientist who cares and my question is, don't you have to be the professional, the politician, the one who has to think carefully about which half sentence I read aloud and which half sentence should I omit? when in doubt you are nobody they are someone who is now playing a very crucial role in a completely normal point of view in this country you are the fourth or fifth most popular politician in this country you listen to them when you say something that is something completely different, but what happens if that is yours, for example, but which ones do I think about professional keywords superior exactly what I say I think very well about what I say and if I refer to studies on twitter, for example, that show that it is so in references because there are many studies, then a study jumps to that, but let's say that many hours I am in contact with scientists in personal contacts who carry out these studies that in reality there are indications in long with patients that there is encephalitis, that is, that there are parts of the brain that are inflamed and no I don't know exactly where to stop it completely everything not completely there are worries if I say somethingwell then it is d as well as a message from the centers that young people go there be careful maybe it's good if I get one or the other infection but what can we achieve by making people more cautious we see them but they are like that they just overwhelm them with just too much information there might be school closures there might be a season finale because she said there's no information but it's really too long if I get one it's a little scary if you get the feeling if I get infected then I might have a brain permanent damage but i really can't do anything but wear a mask and otherwise the legendary phrase the legendary phrase of thomas de maizière in hannover more information would assure the population but i'm not happy either it was the opposite of all things i know the promises is my task was something minister of health if I say let's go as a young man and we sit there hehe well there are these studies that can happen to me but I risk it I'm careful I don't see myself either I don't want to pay, but even less, everything is fine, everything is fine, but then people made a decision and then there are always others in danger of extinction, but I can only think about it up to a certain point, but there are also many young people and older people who don't even know how to longboard many many people think that it would be worth doing that would be a mental mental I can almost only people that automatically there is nothing that we can see now, but that there are changes in the brain tissue, so I must point out that this motivates people who should know That if the decision is still at risk or I didn't get vaccinated, that's right, I mean with influenza there is also damage to many tents and yet they are there, the question is to ask, how do we have to negotiate as a society at some point, man, and that would be a point at which point we have to accept that there are just certain life risks that are just part of it, I think we should actually send good messages to people in this moment as far as krone is concerned there will soon be three new vaccines that will be specially modified for these new variants i know but that won't happen it's just someone it's not a personal attack but the point is how frustrating it is when you realize you always get this reproach the panic monger will actually kill the ambassador he won't at all so i think with the message where would i be if i didn't finish the message there would be no protest here that's exactly what you say Well, are you listening to me, people really write too, people think suddenly I'm going to ask you what kind of studies are the shows?
That something can change in the brain tissue. Many have never heard of it, so I understand that I with the message for its scary i dont go crazy with the message but i have to think about how i want to reach people to do that what i have to say is 100 percent correct of course but how do i want to persuade people to be careful or wear the mask again? with the big new fabrics if you don't communicate the dangers at the beginning of the game but at the beginning of the game I just want to say that there was a document that the federal parliament had at least thought that I think was resolved well how do you get people to know take the danger seriously? at that time there were a few hundred cases only in the german house in the house you have the calls from the seehofer and, among other things, he said that you should tell the children how schre happy that the suffering of the grandparents is so agonizing that they are going to die and that is why they say that it is so annoying that children, if they do not listen to their third division colleagues, the Foreign Ministry was not amused by this paper at the time and it was not published in that way either and as is well known, the government previous federal did not follow this practice either fortunately I think because I don't find out for fear making one is a tried and tested means in a democracy so I Think Mr.

Lauterbach

you have a role as a simple member of parliament where you were very present in this role of warner and warner and his messages carried through, he criticized countries he felt had not done enough, he commented benevolently on what he was doing. doing, but also from your point of view, so to speak you have and so on now it is your role but another if inde and I sometimes have the impression that you have not quite reached this role that you now have, that you no longer it's not about communicating what could happen, but about taking precautions and otherwise explaining what the federal government actually does and also a little bit, then you have to tell people that you have to give it your all, of course, but also maybe there are reasons to be confident.
I think about exactly what are the messages that I send where we are doing something accomplished, for example, there are new vaccines. how do they work because shots we get recommendations from stiko for maintenance support that's what we say and i'm really just on the road with the warnings where i got the impression now i have to post a message so people understand why i'm doing it we who There are many who say that it is all that abroad, nothing is worn, the mask. The more worn out the goods are, the measures are still in place, that is how everything will be if I do not justify that we are not yet in the endemic situation.
I also have no justification for my laws, so this was as bad as you portray it, that I just more accurately bring laws, but otherwise he can, so I'm not going to justify him and now we're getting exactly to the point of the fall and the situation in neighboring countries, we have to look at it today, of course, it is basically like that in almost all countries. it's like this pnv because traveling by bus, train etc many people are still wearing masks often voluntarily but otherwise by the time the pandemic is over this will be over.
I haven't talked to richard david precht about it on our podcast yet, he says it's my theory, this pandemic will happen at some point plain and simple dying of fatigue dying of disinterest people won't care anymore because we'll get to l no more people you don't understand why we keep going we have medications we are in a completely different situation it is each individual's private decision whether they want to put themselves at risk with this disease or not because they don't want to they can get vaccinated and they can protect themselves accordingly why don't we? Nothing is an example.
I think on Friday of last week I was in Hannover in a clinic. I've been to the clinic. Visitors, many clinics. So he always goes to intensive. intensive care unit because when I go to a clinic I always look at the patients because I know them well I know the documents in one in the intensive care unit next to each other was a woman who had a kidney transplant and next to him was a woman who had had leukemia, both had actually been chronically ill vaccinated, but for those people the vaccination is then sehr often unfortunately not strong enough both were so seriously ill that the probability of their survival is very low possibly already do not live very seriously ill that means the idea that everyone richard david precht simply so everyone can imagine this idea everyone can get vaccinated can protect themselves continue and so on it is not so easy unfortunately it is so that those who get infected and have risk factors even if they admit that sometimes they run a considerable risk and then also have andré a risk of death can be de to say if we don't talk about it anymore then it's all good it's not so bad for me it's true for me it's just bad i also said that in the press conference you just criticized me it's bad that we're starting to treat with that get used to the fact that every day 100 people and soon possibly and promise that is just unacceptable to me that stre understands if i open and let i understand and this this ethical dimension i fully understand and accept it if now bodo ramelow as an example which says that the federal government makes a thin foot roll the responsibility on the states and municipalities of this law is called federal the infection protection law and not the lottery law of the federal states but what a flat criticism I guess in aluminum but states have the opportunity here from the top ten if the situation is necessary makes masks mandatory indoors and will reintroduce them the number of cases is high i predict almost all or probably all countries will because that's what they want, so how will the situation be now, for example, in the future, go to a restaurant, people go to the theater, whatever is mask? or test mask or test or vaccination caliber more than three months ago d what the countries may have to do is but received but different in each country because the countries can do it that way it does not have to what I say what good I can imagine we give the countries the opportunity, if this were really the situation in the fall, what would it be like?
I do not expect that we will see a sharp increase in cases in the council of experts, for example, we met on Monday and there she was convinced that we had reached a very high point. I don't think that's the case, so I'm a bit more optimistic, but there were concerns that the number of cases, said well-known archaeologist experts, perhaps the best known in Germany, so the value could go. up to 4 if that's the situation, which I don't think, but you're serious, in this case, that's a very well-known biologist, long story short, we actually have a very high number of cases, that we as the federal government have been reported by the expert council as a possibility.
So we have to be prepared and then we would imagine, for example, that the countries would then come together and agree on a uniform application of the rules which is not out of the question here, but what statements did the conference of ministers presidents. need for the conference of presidents no one knows how you that is the plan now you will not leave them now it is not the situation but if the change of course is called if the countries agree on a unit what use of these rules would be agreed if they were to pay for the trip at the time it was needed, I think that's great.
I think that's great. The question is yes, can we give it to the Konstanz minister presidents? You can also agree that in a conference of ministers-presidents, but if the countries agree, that would be good, the question is if we could have forced the countries, for example, to make the rules uniform, we can't do it well like this it is risk prevention it is a matter of the federal states in Germany and that is part of it infection protection is risk prevention I think this patchwork rug argument is the devil I would not agree with that 100 percent percent I think there is Also, to mention another legal ruling, treat the same the same and treat the unequally unequally, we have seen in the last two and a half years that the pandemic was once quite happy in the east, it was quite happy in the south, then in the north, then in the west, it was not always like this everywhere the same, so there is always this on both sides, yes, they say that acceptance is supposedly not there if you don't.
If the same rules apply everywhere and then it says but again the acceptance is not there even if people in Schleswig Holstein have contact restrictions even though the incidence is 10 and in Bavaria it is 300 so I understand that I think it's true that I'm talking about normal practical life, so now I'm getting vaccinated and then I put it on, so to speak, because it's green for three months. In these three months, I can visit restaurants, I can visit behind them, I can do what I want without a mask and without a test, so if the countries were a country that if Hamburg that was Hamburg, in Hamburg now the rules would be used exactly , so that in the first stage of the gang, the number of cases is not too high for several, after that exceptions can no longer be used , but in the first phase, where let's say the vehicles are already high but not too high tall, so who is Hamburg?
It is possible to say those who walk indoors and are just vaccinated or just enjoying. They don't have to wear the mask what is the background well the background is that we know new substances also protect well against infection the new is just something different actually it should be all previously adapted substances we have fewer European countries but we have so from next week we will have adapted vaccines from omicron in a quantity that we can really live anyone who wants to be vaccinated what there is and seen the museum that yes nat Of course computers as well as in the quartet I have not yet talked about age group so right now we only have one recommendation for age group and they recommend everyone to make sure it fits a lot of people so I don't do that I don't recommend you feel different to the stiko than not recommend a question, but I mean those to whom we have a stiko recommendation for now.
I can tell you so much that the stiko was approved. in germany immediately after the substance also deals with the new vaccines then we will see that by mistake it says ok they assume that they will recommend it again for me now and also for mrs borowski and herbie now we are all sitting here, that means we'll let each other go now vaccinate so i can doa normal life, so to speak, for three months without a mask in the restaurant and move on to three months ed what we now assume that vaccines also protect against infection for about three months if the new vaccines now protect against infection for more than three months, so we would have this period from which it is also in the law, so you can only describe what half a year, for example, if it is in the material for now, that long, you could protect yourself from infection, you could extend it, but otherwise you'd have to do it when the three months is up, which otherwise, you'd have to do again So don't give it that's what I call discharged, that means when people don't want to wear a mask anymore when people don't want to run to the test every day over and over again. first time, first you have to have the money to do it, you don't have to have paid it to the federal government no, the federal government pays for these routine tests without a car history, that is, if you don't visit the sick person and things like that, you don't It usually happens.
So, again and again, test centers, how will the drive center work? -suggestion that's how it was with the test you have it in the test centers jesus gkv can't bill so that's too bureaucratic fraud can't be checked everywhere the robert-koch institute this can't check if there are statistical anomalies there are countries where it was said that the local authorities cannot verify if the fraud was really so I say all day I hear what does not work what does not work exactly the truth that the test centers continue to work and can be used but it would be if it would continue as it is now, 3 euros for those who are not right, but the tests are running for those who are now practically vaccinated, it doesn't make sense that I try it every day, but I give it fresh, it's fine, but this story has now given the impression to a lot of people saying it's ok if i want to go back to my normal life i have to close every three months in the end yes what it is then comes the bad word it's chaos yes that's but that's still tr It will be something but people who try to violate a sensible regulation or take it to the absurd it is clear that vaccines protect for much more than three months from a serious illness to take pictures and no one to get vaccinated every three months we should not have seen it from one point of view doctor then but that's an example of a good speech that doesn't make any sense every three months is also very absurd but that's a good example of the fact that a kind of rules that make sense in themselves are protected from infection for three months and then I can he goes to the restaurant so it's a good rule so without having an alternative it's discredited so according to the motto what not after three months and one day for borowski i need a mask again or a test, can I sign up for that? frankly yes so i think it is also the case that restaurants can also tell you that the test is too complicated you have to take it anyway so in the end everything is complicated in everyday life of course i think that is another matter. the communication in the original version in the first version of the infection protection law was not intended to allow countries to choose for themselves whether they would accept vaccination as an alternative to testing, but that was standard for everyone, so there was this headwind of this supposed underwriting and then they took it back and kind of passed it on to the countries so to speak which I approve of so to speak that of course leads to countries being charged for the information they then they make it absolutely possible to do better now if the recipient of the criticism is someone else I don't know because the problem is of course that too so I think it's the same with that vaccine but that was of course not that it's just an exaggeration, of course, it should be a fake too, that's what you already have, but it's not a coincidence either.

Lauterbach

, so to speak, you have already been told so many things that you would trust him without further ado, he definitely does not want to say them and for you not to say them there for once medically you don't make no sense that's also dangerous it's dangerous and that's what which I always said from the beginning, okay, but in Germany you really get rid of all useful suggestions by dragging them into absurdity. I will only let you ask how at the end. she tells me that what just happened in her nerves affects her personally what is happening is coming there so you sleep badly then you sleep well but what is crucial for me i think about it more the rules work well we are fine so be prepared we will being able to look back in the fall afterwards and say we managed reasonably well we prevented a lot of deaths we prevented serious disease we prevented young people from becoming unnecessarily infected where they could have developed again for a lifetime only for as long as it lasts i really look first and over everything in the result the tonnage of what is moving and so if I let myself be criticized by the communication the communication works but in the way that the country had that to you personally that does not hit me at all but you did not hit me so hard that I often wash with good family friends, etc., well, I have good friends, but it affects me much more when you have than deciding a rule that I know probably won't work these are things that concern me a lot more I can assure you that this moves me a lot more so now I also have examples where I think what example even to summarize the last law of infection protection the latest infection protection law what we did was definitely not an infection protection highlight it is but this is so much better and i hope it gets accepted and continues to be talked about
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