Is The Snyderverse Done For Good?
So do they really like to think that Snyder versus is dead? Oh so dead which is that Wonder Woman 3 is reportedly dead on the floor, Sean, what did you think when she first saw it? Well, it feels like the beginning of, uh, the end, you know right, it's the first block to fall, the first dominoes in kind of a fall. about what will lead to, I think, this DC reboot that we've been hinting at and I've been hearing a couple people talking about it but this was the first piece of news that felt like it confirmed his theory we did do a video on this a couple of weeks ago like that wasn't the whole point of the video, but it came up in a conversation because I was talking about how surely there isn't a world where Margot isn't going to be used.
Robbie's Harley Quinn and you were like okay okay because if you think about it the more time they spend trying to keep the same pieces you know of the Universe existing without explaining how the universe exists and again we didn't know what the hell how they were going to leave things as if they were would open to the Multiverse and then all these characters could have been in one Universe if they had just moved away from that the reboot was the way to go but it left these lingering movies like Shazam Fury the gods and Aquaman 2 essentially to still have these characters but you know , so you look at some of these other pieces like Momoa teasing this DC dream project that now people think could actually be Lobo, yeah exactly, so if you're taking the guy playing Aquaman and potentially letting him play a character different which again suggests a reboot just to be or not be both I mean okay so let's get into this but let's give some context for people who may not have read The Hollywood Reporter article. e and then we'll dig into why you think Snyder's verse is dead and talk a little bit more about some of that stuff you just mentioned, but basically what happened according to the Hollywood Reporter is that they use some interesting language.
Which is why I'm going to back up a bit like say 100 Snyder vs dead these actors are already being used so they said he's considered dead in his current incarnation so basically what happened is Patty Jenkins sent the treatment for the project and apparently, WB told him to quote the project, well it's not a quote, it's the quote from The Hollywood Reporter and his sources said that the project as it stood didn't fit into the new plans but they were still working on it. developing and then they would say that um, people have said that. no decision has been made on the next steps, which is interesting to consider and this will help you understand your point, but a day before The Hollywood Reporter article came out, Gal Gadot tweeted a statement she said a few years ago it was announced that she was going to play Wonder Woman.
I have been so thankful for the opportunity to play such an amazing iconic character and most of all I am thankful for you fans can't wait. to share her next chapter with you guys so there's two ways this or I guess three ways this can be interpreted one is she tweeted this thinking like you know she wasn't really aware if Warner Brothers was going to know or not. I'm sure she just randomly decided that today would be a big day, well, or if she knew what would happen if she hadn't presented this today at her meeting with DC as if this was happening.
I'm going to jump ahead of this without thinking that maybe maybe like maybe her. jinxed, I don't know, I'm superstitious so I wouldn't have tweeted that girl, but okay, there's this interpretation that she was just out of the loop and this hints that maybe she thought there was going to be an ad. the next day which was the opposite of what happened but do you think its her saying
goodbye oh yeah 100 this feels like a
goodbye um but then why is she saying i cant wait to share her next chapter um in a way that means its like stepping back and joining the fans and she's looking forward to seeing the future of the character move forward but without her i pray that's not true i mean is this is the line right before her because, again, I don't think this was a random fluke.
I'm going to tweet that a few years ago like it's like Hey on this day in whatever year I was told I was going to be played one would be playing Wonder Woman and boy has my career changed you know and that's why this day is SUPER important to me so it would be like maybe sentimental because I knew Patty was coming into tune or like sending the treatment okay I'll leave the door ajar to say that would be possible yeah the way it's worded. Seems like closure to me, it seems like she understood that it was p probably given a heads up, yeah, yeah, she got word that Paddy's treatment wasn't going to be part of what James Gunn and Peter Saffron are planning, um, and she wanted to say
goodbye and thank you, so that tweet reads to me as
goodbye. and thanks let's talk about the house ok I had been listening too and again this is where we get into the grain of salt a little bit because I have a couple sources that tell me some things and they have been very correct in predicting some of the things that have been, uh, they're talking about some of the things that have happened, including release date changes, uh, and then specific plot points and I was told about a week ago that Henry is out, uh in the DC huh in the DC Universe and that the plans for their Superman weren't going to come to fruition and I'm sad for Henry for various reasons because you know he went out and did this press tour huh in a sense for an old house as well and he had to field the q Superman question from all journalists essentially and sold The Narrative of I'm back, so I don't know if it's the Black Adam box office which, despite The Rock trying technically well, will be back for the next one as You know. however, many months until the flash comes out.
I guess he's not lying right, he's not lying and I guess you could even say he was right and say I'm back in this scene. cameo credit but uh yeah no i heard like i said a week ago that Henry is out so i dont know if this is because James Gunn and Peter Saffron are getting closer to revealing the full plan because we know soon he's going to be introduced to David SAS love but more and more these are like pop up signs pointing to like if Gaul is tweeting that he appreciates the time with Wonder Woman and I'm hearing rumors and Henry is out it starts to seem like they're moving in a different direction ion I don't think they're interested in sharing this world Do you still think there's a chance of any kind of Multiverse-like situation with any of these characters or actors that James Gunn is in planning or do you think it's just like after Aquaman 2 we said
goodbye well what makes it hard is you have the Matt Reeves that you know is going well and that proves there could be other universes existing with these characters and they are not there.
There's no timeline like there is with the MCU, let's say um, because DC has like a million times, yeah, they're getting complicated, but I like it and even hate it, I know we had to call it that. Snyder's verse is dead but like and Zach's fingerprints were very early and especially in terms of this casting, but when we're talking about a reboot, we're talking about a reboot like all these other projects that don't necessarily fall under Zack, you know. . Universe included ding like Shazam and what's going to happen to um, Harley Quinn and Margot Robbie are playing um and like Peacemaker, aren't they going to do a third season like this? that sticks but then with Peacemaker God this is so confusing with Peacemaker they made the Justice League show up and it was Zach's characters yeah so you're right I didn't even think about Peacemaker and what they do for the second season, continuity is so affected in the DC Universe it's crazy you'd almost have to say like hard reboot everything that happened didn't happen we're moving on but then what do you build?
What are you building? You know? Are you giving us a mark? a new Superman, a new Batman and a new Wonder Woman, does that affect what Matt Reeves is doing with Robert Pattinson, how it connects and we don't know until Gunn announces the plan, but it raises a lot more questions? ons what answers yes and i want to be optimistic for a minute just think about thinking like james gunn and his tone and like some of his marvel projects besides suicide squad and peacemaker like he is very referential and like i can almost see a world where, whatever DC's plan is with their characters, it might not be like a completely separate reboot, but rather it's a new timeline like these characters, maybe because you know he's pulling jokes like Batman in Guardians from the Galaxy holiday special and like peacemakers full of Aquaman references and stuff and I got to see a world where like there's some kind of way because I feel like they're going to have to, well no they're not going to have to but if they use the flash opening up the Multiverse as sort of a jumping off point for what's next for DC because I think Aquaman 2 is behind the flash but who cares you could almost say this is one moment or different eline that timeline is there and it exists and maybe a couple characters in this new timeline are aware of that timeline but that's not something that we're going to continue to explore more like it's there but sure you know. like they can still make jokes about jason mullet and maybe they still have to go to their point like pick and choose some of the people who have this conscience.
I don't know, that's just an idea, but yeah, it seems like the world of like oh, maybe we'll get another Justice League with Henry Cavill as Superman and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman probably won't be where they're focusing, especially since a James Gunn likes to cast more offbeat characters and with all this talk of like Jason Momoa and Lobo and I'd like to see him more start building that world by exploring people we just haven't seen on the big screen in live action before and it's so it's kind of surprising that like like where is blue beetle fall on this is just a project that was advanced but we don't know where it's going and then at the same time I guess it was the previous regime that made this decision but then you also know batgirl too like those decisions that were made in the transition of who's leading dc um are very baffling and i don't know if there's any fallout of that or if you just leave it like that so there's a prece comic dence for this entitlement as dc did a complete reboot of the universe and called it the new 52 and essentially gave new origin stories even though they were close to the original origin stories for all their main characters and you're right there is something that could happen in the flash where you could be like now we're in this new Universe this new thread and it's focusing on other existing characters but you'll still see some of the family members you love and they'll just be played by different people huh t here's a way to sell it , you can sell it to the fans some of us are talking about the fact that James left and Peter Saffron got into a situation where they had to unravel everything they had been given or it's just okay to know when like you have a big knot you have like a big knot in the middle of something like it's like a attention to my hair all the time it's okay so maybe I don't know I've never had do long hair is that right? it's easier to just cut it off and start over, no you just have to rip it off, well and get rid of it it seems like instead of ripping it off they're cutting it off and then people's comments would be like wow you shouldn't. that for your hair it's probably not healthy you're probably right um it feels like it's being cut it feels like they're cutting the knot and not trying to detangle it because detangling is a lot there's too much to detangle and you'd be building on Creative Visions from other creative voices really strong and that's not the James Gunn style like James Gunn is going to do, not the Zack Snyder plus James Bond plus Patty Jenkins version of James Gunn, so there's another part of, uh, take it with a grain of salt, stuff that I saw, that again they're going to be one more sign on the wall that we're moving on from what I don't like to call Snyder's verse, but that's what they're referring to at this point, which apparently Aquaman 2 huh yelled out as proof screened early and some people have said, um on social media, that Ben Affleck isn't in it, that it was very early stages and there were no end credits scenes attached and you know Aflac could follow being part of that and the Aquaman 2 2 credits scene which again would be akin to putting Henry Cavill in Black Adam as making fun of something that never happens I don't know yeah well that's also interesting because like Aquaman, It comes out after the Flash and in Hollywood.
The reporter article they were mentioning as if they were basically something like, hey, The Flash isn't locked in yet, which means it's not like they can still make changes, so I wonder if They are waiting to see if James Gunn and Peter Safran are going to know announce David Zazlovif there is a way to tweak the flash to make flash and aquaman more like a concrete ending to this chapter or kind of like a top i dont know but i wonder if like maybe because the reason ben affleck was back was because of The Flash stuff, right?
There could even be something weird where the release dates changed and something wasn't going to come out on time. They thought the public would. being mistaken for Michael Keaton which is why they put Ben Affleck in it doesn't matter if they're taking Ben Affleck out if he's not referenced in Wonder in Aquaman and if they're using cameos in the flash to explain how the DC Universe moves In a way, what they might be doing with the Flash without even realizing it is we've talked a little bit about how promoting that movie is going to be a PR nightmare, just like the issues they're having with Ezra. and um the headlines that come with them if they are able to turn around and market it as this is the movie you have to see to understand where DC is going to go which the fans will miss you know yes they are going to .
I want to go in and check and see what's going on because I've even heard that there's going to be a Marvel movie coming out in the near future and that its ending will very much point to it being a Quantum Mania that's going to be very clear point the direction of the phase. five and phase six just like when you see the end of this next marvel movie fantastic prognosis tells me chris evans is a human torch um so if they start selling the flash as a whole it changes after this you know so I'll be the one to move the DC Universe forward, yeah, a major step or close it out or do something to mark that I think it will be more of an event type movie like the one you're talking about, well if you think about it.
I mean, if Ezra Miller's character is going to enter the world of Michael Keaton, then they're explaining right then and there that you know there are multiple universes that you can enter and exit as they have written themselves and they have written themselves. themselves. the ability to then go another stream that's just disconnected from the ones that exist and as far as we know that's partly because there are multiple ezres in the trailer as well, you know, it feels like they're going in that direction anyway , now it just feels like they have someone else who is ready to take the baton from that movie and run with it and it turns out to be James Gunn and Peter Saffron and their decision to take it and run from it is not included in my opinion uh t The people that were involved in Zack's Universe especially early on but I don't know what that means for Shazam Fury of the Gods and I really don't know what it means for Aquaman but even in that it's not like Flash ever because the flash has been in development over five years, so I'm saying that when the script was first put together, it wasn't
done with the intention of this being the movie that resets the DC Universe, no, but it was shot after Snyder. the cut was like something that was okay or how I think I started filming but since HBO had said we were putting out the Snyder cut so I wonder if there was any intention to fix some things anyway but I mean we don't know what It's speculation and also to say that we don't know that James Gunn is going to do any of the things that we've just speculated about, so we could be completely wrong and he is. they are expected to meet The hollywood reporter said they are expected to meet with zazlov next week so we might be back next week with a bunch of news if they decide or maybe wait for the new year.
I don't know but can I get a 30 second rig just to clarify something? Oh here we go, just a quick one and trust me, you hating Snyder cup fans probably haven't gotten that far in the video. I was going to say they don't watch us anymore, they don't watch it anymore, but when I told them that they should be very happy with the release of the Snyder cut because of how difficult it was and that Zach's dream of being able to do parts two and three It was going to be incredibly hard to pull off, uh, they turned on me like a pack of wolves, but I was just trying to make you realize that you saw it happen.
I received a DMS about it. I was just trying to tell them and I should have. He should have. I realized that logic does not apply in those situations and I understand it because they are very very passionate and that is what they wanted, but logic says that we were always going to go in this direction, just as logic says that they will not be able to continue. with that Vision because of the number of creative voices being heard. and now look at how much business you've had at Warner Brothers at the top end there all those people are gone you know at the end of the day Warner Brothers is a company and there are decisions that are made by people who aren't the ones making these movies, so there are so many factors to consider and you're absolutely right it's like it changes hands so much it's like you can't logically and that's what I used this today to emphasize again that you guys don't understand how lucky you were to get that movie like appreciate that movie they fought so hard the community fought so hard to get that snyder cut released and you'll always have it you know you'll always have it now black and white and color and so i just know things must end you know exactly exactly so that's the point i wanted to make well
done well the
good news is just more upbeat notes it doesn't seem like they're playing bad verse like matt reeves bat verse like they still a was I write the script for Batman 2 and I think Penguin is in production right now wow I really should have reviewed so no no you're right but then again oh we haven't. think about the amount of stuff they've talked about that's supposed to happen on the tv side you know the issue made more Lantern deaths we just got a proper Green Lantern story for crying out loud never It will happen, you know what's disappointing is that we had someone on staff who had the opportunity to go talk to Margot Robbie and who could have asked her a question, oh I'm so sorry I should have given Margot Robbie the flu and potentially her killed no I'm still like you know me I'll cry crying tears yeah yeah Hannah had a chance to go talk to Margot and then the universe was like Karma.
I don't know what it is, but I've been known to be pretty irritating, so listen, we'll be right back. probably next week, as Hannah mentioned, with a follow-up if any major news announcements from Peter Saffron and James Gunn's delivery of the plan emerge, so make sure you don't miss any of our DC videos by hitting subscribe and turning on our notifications. and thank you very much for following me here