Krieg und Energiekrise: Hofreiter zur "Realitätsanpassung" der Grünen | Markus Lanz vom 24.08. 202
eva quadbeck why actually these so chancellor and vice chancellor were still together on this plane yes the robot really also traveled alone to qatar yes well that is yes that was a chancellor's journey so that means the vice chancellor belonged was part of the delegation java not his journey and that was anyway it was something special that they traveled to canada without making a stop in washington first so a charm offensive towards the canadians we take you so seriously that we come for you alone then they came in a double pack and they actually wanted two things once this big hydrogen project start what has now been signed and for that you really have to log on to the government because it will be at the earliest in three years that the year can go into the barn and that the federal government far too seldom does something about the day they are the future yes and that too in a situation in which actually at home the hut b run take two days to balance the energy for three four five years that's really accurate that's commendable by now the second thing they wanted is that in the next few winters we get gas concretely from canada via lng terminals trio didn't give a promise and it wasn't foreseeable that trio or a promise could give because he also has domestic political pressure and havag suddenly had to because of course it's about this energy that he's responsible for, so these contracts he will also have to keep track of his responsibility, but he also came along as an ecological figurehead because the canadians had the suspicion, okay, the germans want to have our gas quickly and then nobody invests in hydrogen and then there's the figure the credibility stands for that i mean we're talking about fucking guest at canada we're mostly talking about fracking there is us succeeded how do you think that is highly problematic but I mean the problematic situation we are in at the moment all the time after all we greens are now in favor of temporarily recovering coal-fired power plants from the reserve and letting active coal-fired power plants run again power plants and plants around them are equipped using light heating oil is not exactly ecological either, but that is the drama of russia's war of aggression against ukraine and you have to compensate for that with projects such as hydrogen, for example, through the increased expansion of renewable energies and increased expansion in this area train due to an increased switch to e-mobility in the transport sector, bicycles and so on, but in the short term, due to this terrible war of aggression, we are now forced to do things that you could hardly have imagined before, but we would have to do more in the medium term and become faster as possible it dab them I'm basically fine with that a real one is absolutely plausible explaining what I'll find it difficult if it's not really secured that in the medium term the expansion of renewable energies will work faster if it's not really secured that the traffic turnaround will be accelerated that's what I think much more problematic we have achieved some things but when i look at bavaria for example they have now softened the 10a regulation but it is still so many regulations the distance of the wind turbines ten times so to say the diameter of the windmill the it says from the next house or exactly prevent it it's about the height diameter de facto prevents that in Bavaria reasonable wind turbines or it makes it very very difficult there are mayors in my district who are really behind it with all their might everything just makes a lot very difficult and that's just a huge problem what you j now refuses and i recently had a conversation with the mayor who is said to not have it for me or do you think how do you imagine that and about the situation in bavaria in terms of electricity is very dramatic the is highly topical that has ilse aigner now also the 1 between state parliament president is admitted yes she could not convince seehofer with her professional arguments at that time because the csu state government was totally delaying the expansion of the lines and blocked it so that it is very difficult now also the required electricity from north to south in general so this decision, so to speak, not to build the route above ground but to build it underground yes that is actually forever delayed then there was the decision of the class around althaus seehofer exactly that makes it of course much more expensive of course much slower by years yes of course yes, and of all things, this extremely energy-intensive south, of all things, go to these r the extremely energy-intensive south they basically put industrial companies at risk it was just super popular back then i can still remember i was always in favor of the power lines because i was rudely insulted and insulted partly by my own followers but mainly by those who were split up have said to people how can you as a green dam yourself that seehofer is against it and the free voters are against that they don’t want to know anything about it now somehow someone else was in government back then it’s just now a huge objective problem objectively a problem and use mail order so no reason for inhibiting so if politically i mean in the direction of the csu or something like that if bavaria has a problem all of germany has a real problem yes well basically we all depend on one electricity market and if bavaria can't manage it then it has to Yes, electricity is supplied by the rest of Germany.
That is clearly the question is whether that is even possible in sufficient quantity because as I said, the lines 3000 yes and Bavaria also has a special problem with the gas storage tanks how else that means there are already problems and of course bavaria behaves as well from time to time in public with the fact that the traffic light government politics everyone has to take that of course they would say the traffic light has no place yes he always tries directly I'm sorry to get a bonus it's also important that you then point out that your problems are home-made nonetheless you will of course have to win this solidarity within Germany, just like we Europeans show solidarity with one another that it helps you to say that the problems are home-made you have to say that you still have health that I mean d he spd is accused of what he did to russia, but the csu continued to be just as bad, e.g. bavaria has a dependency on russian gas which is the highest of all western german federal states, so it is over 30 percent while energy, for example, is also a large industrial country under ten percent and no more taxes have seehofer they are all too putin are things we have now evening and courted and so on and has simply led the country systematically into dependency certainly but it helps had selection with the best of intentions no one has anything evil up his sleeve but that is the situation now before the existence how does the writer actually look at it that i quoted you from the ambivalent of our time is reflected you are saying right now in a person like anton
hofreiter what is meant by that so if you want to apologize i am not that close but at his court rate is 52 years old otto schily is 90 years old and and that is there g it's a bit about the party when chilli was one year old the nazis seized power and when
hofreiter was born the second world war had ended 25 years ago and when he was born the peace movement in germany was just beginning and the green party was founded when he was ten and it first came into the federal parliament when he was 13 and of course it was a completely different party that arose out of protest which, as we know today, was absolutely necessary and and and which outrages all sorts of people and now is that's what happens, so to speak, what really defines politics, so that's if you want to put it that way, the normative power of the factual, so if the facts change, the opinion has to change and the action has to change and you can study that really well with a court rider because, so to speak, the the remnants of this protest party and of this and of this rebellion i believe can still be seen in mr
hofreiter's hair and beard but above all things he is still the same type and he just has to adapt like many of these party members now there is no other way there is no other chance and that is why i find that you are so interesting that on the one hand that it's just the ambivalent thing these states have the opinion coal is bad nuclear power is even worse and on the other hand we have to think about it we don't need it anyway and that's something very exciting i don't think it has ever existed in politics in this form before but that's because you have such strong opinions all the time and couldn't get away from it because i find one of the most interesting many who still think that you don't google no question but the modern politician you are i find to say that a man like robert fahrwerk where you can pull it even where you always notice he struggles with himself and he tries to find the the better solution and that's it a completely new type of politician that didn't exist before and i find it interesting and actually a lot more human and future-oriented than what came before it, so the question is of course when twitter is perceived as fickle when does it become arbitrarily new, so to speak one question is that they want but on the other hand we still have politicians who are also standing today and will ask tomorrow that they said yes yesterday but that was already with adenauer so adenauer was told that my stupid babble is all over me yesterday anja got a little smarter about it every day politics just demands it at the moment and none of us have any people who have clairvoyant abilities but none of us foresaw it that's of course pleased it's absolutely right it was the same in Bavaria too that the country has been made dependent on russia but please that's also part of it r truth back then people managed to change things through trade back then people believed that this dependency didn’t lead to bad things and back then putin was a different type that one also has to have the courage to be truthful so it wasn’t bad intentions now it’s different and now we have to make an effort to do it right but whether all these decisions also these decisions in canada will last in the next 30 years no one knows whether that can also be one thing completely wrong the canadians in i don't think they do it but it could be the canadians are now investing in bringing gas to germany germany wants to have an energy turnaround towards renewable energies as soon as possible in five years you won't need it anymore that could just as 1 1 be a consequence his canadians are pissed off and so on well you don't know in politics they like to be really pretty basic in a series d disagree, and what I don't think has changed in principle are the underlying goals, so we have to adapt the energy transition because of the war of aggression, but the goal is still, and in my opinion absolutely right, that we have to emit and reduce co2 as quickly as possible and that's why due to the war of aggression we now have to connect coal-fired power plants to the grid in the meantime, but to make the expansion of renewable energy even faster that's why I wouldn't say that everything, so to speak, so completely adaptable wasn't happy if then connections would have remained, yes, such as the problem the climate crisis or, for example, we too have often discussed it here with the arms deliveries I would have I would also have the media nor what I mean for arms deliveries in a conflict with you my values will still be violated much more fundamentally if we don’t support ukraine now would i am even that opinion that you can support yourself even more i can only say mr. hofrat if you didn't say that and if you didn't have these basic values you would have him you want him and not a politician these basic values are the prerequisites for you that you so to speak represent anything at all and and one have an opinion about it that is completely at liberty that is also not a year the novel was misunderstood by the public yes but that is why i asked kurt beck in as an observer very intimately familiar with this berlin political establishment as well as take you that true as we are all parents such a point that we would have to vacate positions because we need politicians here above all things who recognize the signs of the times and that is there is certainly robert have someone who does that scholz too so if you then his turning point speech thinks yes and I also have the way in which he is driving the energy transition forward bt even with a very high level of pragmatism there is no other way so it needs both needs to recognize this sign of the times and then it also needs the political trade how do I get there maybe we’ll talk about the gas system that’s now that’s always been apropos political craft