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Livestream: Das sagt Außenministerin Annalena Baerbock zu möglichen Panzerlieferungen

Jan 25, 2023

Livestream: Das sagt Außenministerin Annalena Baerbock zu möglichen Panzerlieferungen

it turned on Europe with all its atrocities with the start of Russia's brutal war of aggression against Ukraine, which has been a flagrant violation of international law. This war has already caused so many victims. Tens of thousands of people have been killed or injured. Millions had to leave their homes and even a country that this war highlights The crucial importance of the founding principle of the Council of Europe, the search for peace and democratic security, can only be achieved through justice and international cooperation, we need the effort of each member state to safeguard a multilateral system founded now more than 70 years ago, now we are meta ministers, I believe that we are more obliged than ever to put our principles into practice.
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I would like to take this opportunity to sincerely thank you and the German good government for taking a leading role in ensuring the organizational and financial sustainability of the Council of Europe after the expulsions from the Russian Federation ions of the organization also for your strong support for the organization of the Summit of Heads of State and Government in Reykjavik in mid-May, a summit that this assembly has requested on several occasions on many occasions Madam Minister, courageous, with your valuable presence here Today you reaffirm Germany's commitment to to achieve greater Unity among all the member states of the Council of Europe on the basis of protecting and promoting the rule of law, human rights and democracy as stipulated in the statute of the Council of Europe, therefore, we hope Madam Minister that you will listen your intervention and then your answers to the questions that our delegates may send you.
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Please, the word is yours Madam Minister, Mr. President, Mayor Dem. Secretary of the General Council of Europe Madam Secretary of the Parliamentary Assembly Members of the Parliamentary Assembly Ladies and Gentlemen when human life is in danger when human dignity is in danger National border Incentives become irrelevant These are the words of Ellie Weasel Holocaust survivor Noble Peace Prize winner His experience of the horrors of the Showa and World War II made him a lifelong believer in the need to defend human rights no matter where the violation occurs and to whom the weasel was convinced that when human rights are violated this is a warning sign of things to come the Council of Europe was founded in 1949 with exactly this in mind as a early warning mechanism against human rights violations to prevent new wars. human suffering and tyranny on the european continent and as a common european home for democracy human rights and the rule of law for all europeans protected by strong walls formed by the convention on human rights and the court of human rights the council too comprises over 220 conventions and treaties and probably if we are all being frank no one in this room except the president and secretaries general could name a all of them and feel free to do the math on how many bilateral treaties it would take to replace them with all these conventions with the European Court of Human Rights and its monitoring mechanisms the council is setting the highest human rights standards through its rulings the court has strengthened women in their fight against domestic violence has strengthened freedom of the press and has forced governments to build polling stations that are accessible for people in wheelchairs and with other disabilities in addition, the court is currently pushing for intergenerational justice in cases, for example, on the climate crisis, this direct access that people have to an international court of human rights is unparalleled in the world and that is why Germany has made additional means available for the court and we call on others and in fact I would say this very blunt and open we urge others to also step up their support because if we want a chord for ru n en the future obviously needs sufficient financial sources and let me be clear the Human Rights tribunal is something we can be more than proud of, however we are also committed to the social conventions and resolutions for a fair income and we cannot expect that with more cases in the core judges less Justice would do the same amount of work, so it's up to us, the government, forta adjudicate the court, our Human Rights court also in the future, the court reflects our convictions as member states of the Council of Europe that our governments must put people's fundamental rights first even if we are honest with ourselves, probably I would also say again that all of us would have to admit that before we became parliamentarians and politicians, many of us could sometimes feel a bit confused if they had to explain the difference between the Council of Europe and the European councils and did we all know that the Europe's anthem and the European flag, which has 12 stars, were used for the first time by the Council of Europe, the president this morning reassured me again that they don't really care about copyright in this regard, as long as the EU does too copy or finally ratify the european convention on human rights without kidding, i think this is really not m al, although as a journalist you can write that people confuse the Council of Europe and the European Council and show the negligence of the Council of Europe.
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I think this is not the real story. I think the younger people and even the people of my generation I am 42 years old and I am incredibly lucky to have lived my whole life in peace and not in a dictatorship because when we were born in West Germany we took freedom and democracy for granted but not because we neglect freedom and not democracy but because our ancestors built this Council of Europe and we all believe that we could live in this house of freedom of peace all together forever, so the crucial point is not whether the Council of Europe or also the uce has played a sufficiently strong role in the past the crucial point is what we are doing now now when our European peace order when the Council of Europe the uce is under attack this is our responsibility as politicians of our generation of this time because Russia's war of aggression is not just a war against Ukraine, it is a war against the common European peace order, so what we have What has been done in recent months has been crucial and I would like to thank and applaud you here in the Council of Europe as well, who have shown Putin that he will never succeed in destroying the Ukraine, but he will also never succeed in destroying our common House of Peace, the Council of Europe, but we also have to be self-reflective because we have also seen what we neglected. in the past the early warning system of this Council of Europe is too much because when human rights are taken into account or ignored, these are early warning signs that the weasel was talking about and ladies and gentlemen we have such warnings that have been there in the past when our friends and partners in Central and Eastern Europe, in particular in the Baltic, pointed out Russia's aggressiveness, especially my country did not listen carefully enough when we saw the trials against Alexei navalny when we saw Russia ignore the Court's rulings European Commission on Human Rights calling for her release and when we saw Russia's refusal to sign the Istanbul convention and drastically curb women's rights, they were all early warning signs and we didn't see them, we didn't take action as early as 2017, Russia changed its laws on domestic violence so that men, husbands, partners who beat their wives get in trouble wales not while they are beating their wives but the law has changed you would have to beat your wife since 2017 in russia repeatedly she has to be sent to hospital and then criminal court law would act which should have sent a clear and strong warning because women's rights are a yardstick for th The state of our democracies when women are not safe in a society where no one is safe and when human rights are not respected in a country ultimately peace and freedom are in danger. at home goes hand in hand with your attempt to destroy Ukraine and our common European peace order, which is why I am convinced that today the Council of Europe has an early warning mechanism that is more important than ever your work for human rights marks a crucial difference to people across Europe and to be clear, Europe is bigger than the EU, the convention on human rights and the Council of Europe create a common European home for human rights and democracy for nearly 700 million people. people 700 million people who thank God do not look alike do not dream the same have different traditions different histories and different plans for the future but 700 million people all united by their firm belief in fundamental rights I had the privilege of seeing what this really means fundamental rights when i talked to teenagers in harcliffe earlier this month i was in different places in harkov and i saw all the d structure but actually what touched me the most was my last stop at the warming point set so carefully and i would even have to say love we were sitting around a table there was a hot stove and we were offered tea and biscuits because it was minus 12 degrees outside and i was sitting with different teen programs their school had been destroyed early in the beginning of that war so i asked them where they go to school and they looked at me and said our school has been destroyed so they haven't gone to a school because not only her school had been destroyed, but many schools in Khargav had been destroyed for almost a whole year because going to a makeshift school would be too dangerous because khakif is a place 35 kilometers from the Russian border, so that if there is a rocket aiming at harkov to In the school trick as before, there is not a single air defense system that could prevent this rocket from returning to hit your school.
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They have 45 seconds to hide, and 45 seconds is obviously too little to hide. You can only pray, so I asked them. What do you do if you don't go to school and the impressive thing is that even in a partially destroyed town they have online teaching in the classrooms and I said what do you do if you have 45 seconds just to pray because you can't hide and the girl one of the girls he told me well i used to play volleyball but obviously also my volleyball field is being destroyed and i am 16 normally i go out with friends but this is not possible anymore so actually even though these school age kids these teens survived they are not living a normal life as teenagers they hide day and night praying that the next rocket doesn't hit them so when i asked them why you left why didn't you leave this girl the 16 year old said ok i went with my parents to italy but obviously she came back and asked why you came back here going back to your Celtic War neighborhood that was ravaged by bombs when we were driving through them you could still see the coffee table in a house that e has been partially destroyed people drinking coffee before his rocket hit his house he just fed his teeth into his eyes because this is my house even though my house is now a prison because i can't go to school i can't go to volleyball anymore i can't go out with my friends this is my home this is where i want to be this is where i want to survive if i'm not dying so all this girl and all her friends were asking for was to live a simple and normal life again an everyday life in the one you go out as a teenager to meet your friends to play volleyball and go to school it is this girl's simple desire for a life of freedom in peace and with basic human rights that drives home me as our agency here in the Council of Europe it is about everything or if you want to say it big as the German Chancellor Conrad Arden said here in the Council of Europe when the Council of Europe was founded it is the soul of Europe it is our duty to maintain this Alive soul that's why we're here that's why I'm speaking here as German foreign minister that's why you're here and you'll come back every month to work for our European soul to figure it out for every single person in Europe for teenagers in khakif to make sure we don't get lost warning signs of human rights violations that can lead to violence and war and to ensure that the fundamental freedoms of women, men and children are better projected every day their rights to a life to live a life with dignity and freedom yes I think we need the Council of Europe today more than ever to put the power of those rights over the power of power President Putin wants to drag Europe back to a past dominated by power politics where states can simple travel on individual rights in pursuit of imperial glory where rulers dispose of their citizens as pawns and chess sets geopolitical that is why in the face of the Russian war neutrality was not an option we had to choose between injustice and freedom of justice and oppression between standing on the side of the aggressor and standing on the side of the victimsthe teenagers in kharkif and we made the Council of Europe all together we took a clear and united stand against the war in Russia we voted together to expel Russia from the council and made it clear that the council's stand was one brave woman, man and child from Ukraine who fight for their country and their freedom, but also for democracy and human rights throughout the European continent because the council is not a geographical concept because the council unites us in the concept of human rights, democracy and rule of law , but we also have to critically assess why we did not fully recognize the early warning signal that is why at the last meeting of the committee of ministers in Turin in the summer I advocated for four Council of Europe Summits which will now take place in Reykjavik under the Icelandic presidency in this next Summit we will have the opportunity to establish the council for a new era in European history we know that the institutions nes are only as strong as the political and financial support they receive, and that means we also have to give the council the financial and other means it needs, as I said at the outset, in this war-torn era of Russia, we can no longer give for granted the progress of freedom and human rights in Europe, fundamental rights and freedoms. they are under pressure on too many fronts, so if we want to show that, despite repression and war, the power of democracy and the soul of Europe remain intact on our continent, then we have to stand up and fight for them, Let's keep this in mind as we prepare for the Reykjavik Summit based on all the valuable ideas and suggestions and there are many floating around.
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He made a decision these days and I would like to focus on three crucial points for this Summit. First, the summit should reaffirm our joint commitment to the core. values ​​of the council of europe or let me put it another way if the council is to remain our common home our common soul for european democracy and human rights we have to fix the cracks in i Its walls stop the erosion of its foundations and ensure that all residents respect the house rules I am aware of the fact that our 46 member countries have very different historical and cultural trajectories I also know that no legal system or democracy is perfect thank God no human being is perfect because we are all different but what What we all want is to improve every day because there is no such single form or type of perfect democracy but what unites us all in the council is our commitment to the rule of law and the separation of powers our commitment to protect fundamental rights and everyday freedoms of our people and that is what we have signed up for so let me say it loud and clear I believe that all Member States have to respect the European Convention on Human Rights and implement the judgments of the Court of Human Rights based on it and I am deeply concerned that for years the Turkish authorities have been ignoring the Court's demands to release Osman Cavalla, whose detention the court considers is supposed to be politically motivated and yes, it was good that there was finally a visit, but this is nothing to applaud because Osman Cavalla should not be in prison.
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It is simply unacceptable for a member state of this Council to imprison someone for political reasons. that is why the committee of ministers has started enforcement proceedings against Turkey. The cooperators of the council have recently underlined this with the visit and I reiterate our call on the Turkish authorities to release Osman cavalla and also the others whom the court has also ruled to be illegally detained all of us, as members of this Council, we must respect this basic rule book which is a legal obligation and not a wish list and that is what our citizens agree to expect from us this also obviously applies to all countries in this room also to my own country and that is why that Germany has taken a step to fully adopt the legal instrument of the Council of Europe that protects women and girls from violence because if we call on others to ratify or comply with the conventions, obviously our reservations may be a bit biased, therefore, when my government took office a little over a year ago, we said that we would lift Germany's reservation at the convention tion of Istanbul and that is what we have done, we will apply the convention without restrictions starting in the coming months.
I invite all member states that have signed the assembled convention to also ratify it very soon and I believe that if a country at war like Ukraine could do it, all other countries at peace can do it too this also continues our work as part of the EU at the same time our ambition for the Reykjavik Summit should not only be to reserve what the Council of Europe has achieved as crucial in that we could be together we cannot only renew our common European house of human rights and democracy, but also expand it with new rooms and more people and that's my second point, let's work together to adapt the council and our democracy to a changing world which means finally making the European Union's accession to the European convention on human rights a reality creating a common European standard of protection of human rights, most importantly, however, the council can help pave the way for For a new generation of human rights democracy and human rights are based on universal values, but they are also constant.
Works in progress because our societies evolve and obviously new technologies emerge. Take the digital revolution that is transforming the way we all shop, meet our friends, and go on a date if they used to go on. a date on how entire industries work or how scientists predict storms and droughts, internet social media and artificial intelligence have already greatly improved our lives, but obviously also bring new challenges and risks, we have seen that AI facial recognition can be racially biased, that is. used to target children with aggressive advertising and that autocratic regimes are exploiting it to track down dissidents that's why we democratic governments have to work together to protect human rights in digital labor we can't just let the algorithms tick tock o Elon Musk this is a political task this is a democratic task in the Council of Europe we are working on a convention on the design development and application of AI systems, this convention can set a 10th European standard for customer-centric AI being humane and rights-based, for example by making sure that companies and governments are not spying on people by publishing their posts on social media through AI scanners together we can ensure that technology empowers human rights and does not weaken them because the technologies are there for humans and not for the industry or the autocracies, that is why the German government is committed to working with all of you so that this new convention is adopted this year and finally there is a third point that we must take into account: the disclosure that I would call neighbors and friends of the Council of Europe when i travel to another region to kazakhstan last year i met again a young woman in her 20s who was working for an NGO and planning to set up a political party and she suddenly told me that you are very lucky in Europe and i am not. thinking well what comes from time to time she said you are so lucky to have the Council of Europe and for a moment I stopped and thought again with old prejudices so she is talking about the EU or the councilor I said the Council of Europe yes the Council of Europe and you said why, because you have an instrument that your government has to deal with, you have conventions that I as an NGO could say is not applying to the Istanbul convention or the Human Rights Convention because you have a court where all citizens can go and I think this is also crucial right now, there are many people, especially people around the world, who do not discuss democracy, human rights as a geographical pattern, but they say that we would like to benefit from your experience.
I learned from her lessons from the past and this morning, during my visit to the human rights court, I was shown what this right the young woman from Kazakhstan was talking about meant. I walked into this room of records and I want to say this is really interesting when you're talking about Ai and I see loads of posts on the table and people going through all these papers and some of us also get this as politicians in our offices where you think it's Okay, this is a little crazy, but they're going through all the cards. written on paper some tables on the Internet but also letters written on a small sheet of paper because when you are in a prism and when you are a political prisoner obviously you do not have the best access to this court to our course so that any individual can initiate a complaint and be it with a simple handwritten request scribbled on a postcard or even on a piece of toilet paper sent from a prison.
People around the world do not have this privilege and we need to be reminded of it every day and that is why it is up to us to stand by their side as they fight for human rights around the world as they seek peace and a better future for themselves. and his sons, the work of the Venice Commission is a beautiful example of how the values ​​of the Council of Europe can have an impact around the world although, again, first hand, I would say that the Venice Commission has no power real more than the influence of the Venice commission is perhaps bigger than a big institution with lots of money because with advice on how to reform election laws and the Constitution, the commission is a compass for democracy that guides us and the states members of no less than five continents around the world, ladies and gentlemen, we could go on and on and you know better than I do about the hidden but so powerful tools of this Council of Europe and it is up to us whether we use them or use them. we use. set them aside it's our responsibility we are the politicians of our time when human lives are in danger when human dignity is in danger National borders incentives become irrelevant that's how the weasel said it early reminding us to be vigilant when they our human rights are violated here in this full plenary these words may seem beautiful and ambitious but for the boys and girls in khaki to the 16 year old girl who returned home from Italy to a home destroyed because that is her European soil this is the future this is your trust This is destiny for your good and the good of so many others these words must be a concrete call for us to face up to what this Council represents human rights and dignity for all thank you thank you foreigners thank you very much ma'am minister we are not a german corporate stock where you clap after every two sentences but i hope you understand Since the applause you received at the end shows that we are proud that a former member of this assembly now one of the leading politicians in Europe continues to be a true defender of the course and role of the country of Europe and its parliamentary assembly thank you very much You have also agreed to answer questions from our members.
I would like to remind members that questions should be limited to 30 seconds and no more. First I will answer the questions from the political groups and then we will see how many other questions we can answer first. I call Mrs. Cillian, I say Boca from Turkey and she speaks in my home group. from the socialist screens and the democrats Celine thank you and a dear minister on behalf of the social democrats and the greens I welcome you and welcome you back and our assembly realizes the critical importance of the Reykjavik Summit and in this In this sense, I would like to ask if you could elaborate more on what you believe are the concrete and critical pillars of a new strategic Vision that should be included in a political action plan that we hope will emerge from the summation and also what concrete steps you believe should be taken to accelerate the progress of the EU to join the conventions and instruments of the Council of Europe and forgive the Council of Europe a structured role in the EU enlargement process, especially in light of the depth that you expounded in your speech in the opening room at our renewed family of values ​​not only geography thank you very much Cillian Madam Minister well in the first part of your question I try to summarize it in my speech but i try to make it shorter and sharper now well first of all i think it's not about a vision because it's about now it's about these times and the worst that could happen would be to say 20 years from now we should be this and this because it is a perfect excuse for politicians. why can't we do it today and now so to me the fourth summit is more about reality than vision and that's why even though this is not really physiological or really out of the realm but the question n of Finance is so crucial because you can have the best Vision if you don't have the financing of ainstitution and I was not only here as a parliamentarian but also as an intern and I was in a division where my boss at the time was not sure if he would get his next pay again, I mean, and if we have an institution where we believe that this stands for democracy, human rights and also the rule of law, I think the employees of this house should not wonder if their pay is also safe in the future and this counts for the Council of Europe but also in court because the court that I heard today receives especially from certain countries so many complaints that they can hardly handle it every day and this is a call to me other countries if we do not collect our national contribution also the voluntary contribution we will not meet this cost so my first objective for the Summit is that we increase the budget of the council but also of the Court the second point is for me I try to s Oh, also in the speech to really focus on the most crucial points and this is human rights violations if we see cases of rape a report is one thing but acting afterwards and I think we have seen in the last 11 months what the council is capable of coming together to drive Russia out to be united to formulate part of this resolution.
I think we also need other countries for other human rights violations and the third part is about the new conventions. The institution is as strong as a lot. keeps pace with development, so the new resolution salutes the conventions, but also the new setup, for example, the fight against the climate crisis, the rights regarding a safe and healthy environment, this is not a pleasant topic , this is a core security issue so this is also the third part for me for the next summit to really focus on the new human rights as a new generation thank you madam minister the next question comes from ingotskow from norway and england speaking On behalf of the Epp group I ingest, thank you and Madam Minister, I was initially going to ask your opinion on a special court to prosecute your Russian aggression in Ukraine, but I understand that you agree with our assembly that the court should be established.
I was there to ask what is his position on supplying Ukraine with two leopard tanks, freedom and democracy for Ukraine is paramount. I understand that you are not against other countries delivering leopard II tanks to Ukraine, but Germany has been urged to send its own will. Thank you, Madam Minister. two days but because I am in the Council of Europe and this is not to hide from a response because you can read the response in the news obviously Ukraine needs more militant military support but not only from a country like mine or the USA for all of us we can fight this war only together it is about our common European peace order and that is why we are asking regarding tanks and other support for a large international group but obviously the Council of Europe is not handing out tanks and I would say thank God that we don't have to duplicate things, this institution is about bringing responsibility and justice and that is why also to your question here I would like to answer responsibly this war is not only led by the Russia's military action this Russian war against Ukraine against the European peace order also attacks our justice system detects the institution as the Council of Europe detects the right ho international criminal so I'm speaking here as foreign minister of Germany but also as a European yes we need to do more military aid but we definitely need to do more also with humanitarian aid in Winter Hub on accountability on issue of missing children, no one talks about it because we don't have any data on it. so what I'm saying here is we keep up with our military support but we will definitely go ahead and call others with the humanitarian support with stabilization and especially with accountability and I think the Council of Europe along with the the court can play a crucial role together with the international criminal court in this thank you thank you madam minister then i will call madam pedrostina from the netherlands and beta speaking on behalf of the group Aldi Petra Minister thank you very much on behalf of the larger group I would like to congratulate you on your leadership in feminist foreign policy because we all know that while half the population lacks opportunities to get a good education, good health care, good job opportunities, and participate in the political arena without being attacked or misogyny that we all know many women we have, we do not have human security, but Madam Minister, action speaks louder than words, so So on behalf of the other group we would really like to know how they are going to break how they are going to put this leadership into practice not only for the people within Europe but also for the people in Iran we have a large diaspora of Iranians and many other cities and also for the people of Ukraine, we just had an adapted report on sexual violence in conflict situations, so it's wonderful that they want to have this court, but how can we make sure that this horrific act of forms of violence will also be held accountable? sexual violence against women, girls, men and boys, thank you, thank you, Petra, Madam Minister, thank you for seeing the question because words only matter when they are put into practice. it is also crucial because when we remember regarding the balkan war and we hear many times that rape actually happens in war and i still hear that all over the world when i was in ethiopia why you talk about rape? a war, but talking back then about the brave woman in Bosnia and many other Balkan countries saying that this is not normal and that we had to fight in front of the international criminal court that did not even establish at that time that rape and sexual violence are actually a crime and you can't just count it as war crimes this was a big fight and I'm doing this curve because ultimately we're not there either with cr international criminal court when I was in Den Hague for example not just I talked about a special court, but I also talked about the need to further develop accountability for these crimes, we had one of the cases against the fighters in Germany also against Yazili women and what we have seen in these cases and it is for That's why I always talk about my country and other European countries, as well as the fact that it is also much easier for the prosecutor in Germany to bring allegations of terrorism before a court because even in our special special the prosecutor sorry a division they have a division on terrorism but they don't have a division on crimes of sexual violence uh in war so to come back to your question we have to look at our individual national cases how we can strengthen the law there we have to work on the ICC that they also bring these cases to justice we have to do it with respect to Iran that is why I was pushing so hard for the Human Rights Council to have a resolution that we have investigation in Iran obviously no one can go there, but just like in the Ukraine, we have to collect the evidence now, maybe even from abroad, we have to set up a special prosecution division that at some point, like with the easy woman in the past, we will collect the evidence and we bring perpetrators to justice on behalf of victims, so it's a lot of work again on the legal side l but naming them today is the first step for accountability to emerge at some point and this means also naming the Revolutionary God as what they do think they are terrorizing their own citizen in Iran so obviously they are a terrorist organization Up to now we are not clear if we have the legal basis to put them under the sanctioned regime also in the European Union, this is more than true because yesterday we had a legal debate in Parliament and this is a German colleague, we also discussed it in our committee of Foreign Affairs because the sanctioning regime of the terrorists was I am prepared for the case of 9/11, so yesterday my colleagues from France from the Netherlands and I called the legal service of the European Union to identify if this will be possible and how, because we must not forget that our strongest power is that people in Europe believe and trust in the rule of law and that means that even in l he most difficult moments, such as establishing a sanctioning regime, this must be based on the rule of law that can also prevail in the end in front of the court and therefore sometimes it takes time but in the end trust in the rule of law is the most important thank you thank you Madam Minister I now give the floor to Chris Jobe from the UK and Chris speaks on behalf of the European Conservative group you have the floor Chris Madam Minister although you don't seem to recognize it today you have made the most powerful and eloquent case for Germany to supply Leopard tanks to Ukraine.
Germany refuses to provide these essential resources to Ukraine. is prolonging the war and embodying Putin, what can we do to help turn his kind words about Ukraine into actions of his government? If the UK Parliament can be united on all sides on this, why can't the German government and Parliament, Minister? Well, I give the same answer that I gave yesterday at the meeting of foreign ministers because my answer is that pointing fingers at each other will not bring peace and freedom to Ukraine if we start or continue this game of pointing fingers because it is more convenient for one same, then Russia and Putin win and that is why personally I am doing the opposite and that is why as a democratic politician in my country, where we have a government with different actors, we are discussing things and we are acting jointly with other partners. and that is why i am not now calling your country to other countries asking why 2000 howitzers have not been delivered when holland and germany delivered them or why it took so long for one country to now deliver bradley when others already delivered I think that this does not end anywhere this ends only in dividing Europe and therefore I have already said in the last few days yes we have to do more to defend Ukraine, yes we have to do more also with tanks, but the most important and crucial thing is that we do it together and that we do not put the blame on Europe because we are waging a war against Russia and not against each other thank you, thank you, Madam Minister, now the last speaker on behalf of the political groups is the Mr.
George Catruganos from Greece and he speaks for the Church of the United European Left, but I am a minister, you are a principled politician, so I want your personal position or two questions. In the past, Julian Assange had supported our resolution for his immediate release. What is his position now? Second export of German arms to Turkey, a country that now has occupying forces in three other countries Syria Iraq Cyprus Do you find this compatible with the 2008 EU common position prohibiting military sales to countries affecting regional stability or not they comply with their international commitments thank you madam minister massage well in the first part my position has been when I was in our position and also when I am in a minister of foreign affairs which, obviously, as a European country, all European countries, whether it is the Kingdom United Kingdom, Germany or Poland, our action must be in line with the judgments of the Human Rights Courts and this is required in the case of Julian Assange, since it counts for all other cases and with respect to the delivery of weapons, we have schemes in Germany, we also have a European regulation on the delivery of weapons, I think we are also at a crucial point, we call it an inventive site in Germany, its colleagues before calling for a common arms delivery, this means that we also need to realize that we need a common European arms production because what we have now seen is that we are aligned on the NATO treaty and the EU treaty, but obviously with respect to our military equipment we are not so aligned because when I take the example of the Panzer, as you say, for example, it is the same production, but we realized in the Ukraine that obviously the ammunition does not work compatible between the two systems, so when I speak of the regulation on the export of military equipment, I believe that it is no longer an individual national decision, it has to be a European issue, we have the common point of view of the European partners, but I believe that if we also advance on the issue of deterrence and the guarantee of peace in Europe, we have to combine not only our military equipment, but also our export functions so far, because you mentioned countries and actions in the past, we have clear guidelines in Germany that with regard to the delivery of weapons in conflict areas of mass violation of human rights it is always a unique decision with each case anyway but that we are not living in these areas and this is w Why we have taken some of the actions in the past, obviously with regard to Ukraine, we are underlining at this time that if it is a question of self-defense in relation to article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations , also himwe are delivering weapons now to Ukraine even though this is a conflict area thank you Madam Minister we are out of time but would you allow four four more questions that we combine and then you have a few seconds left to answer them because Holocaust commemoration is also waiting so now i will give the floor to mr rubinium mr kolatian lady on a guitar and mr goncharenko mr robinian from armenia 30 seconds thank you madam minister last week the european parliament adopted a resolution condemning the blockade of nagorno kaaba by azerbaijan the european parliament urged the european union to be actively involved and ensure that the people of nagorno-karabach are no longer under siege madam minister as a new member state what does the germany government intend to do in this situation thank you thank you reuben peters titus galatian from Romania Madam Minister, as you know, we all work hard in our countries , including my own Romania, to stand firmly behind Ukraine as we face aggression coming from Russia at the same time in some Member States we have accumulated over the years and over the past year growing concern and now great disappointment to see the poor treatment accorded to the national minorities in this country, including the Romanian national minority, long education, the recent law on minorities and now the violation of freedom of religion my question is very simple what is the evaluation and position of the German government when discussing this issue and also take into account that this is a political criterion for eux in the Council of Europe thank you now I give the floor to Mrs Andrea each other from Austria 30 seconds thank you Mr President you foreigner thank you my colleagues are thanking you and I want thank you I want ask him to say directly Council of Europe it is about peace and justice which is very important but peace and justice ho and in day you have a name leopard so please tell us directly yes oh no and when thank you sean mr minister i told you that we ran out of time but please make an effort to answer these four different questions thank you movement especially when you are not only directly affected, but also your whole family, all your friends live in Ukraine and you face this every day. i understand this so i understand your question too but my discussion first of all peace is not just about tanks although this is a crucial question that is why we are discussing it intensely in my government as well and that is why that we have delivered things j -Modest battle vehicles that others are deciding at the moment but this is also about elephants because what I have that is why I have been talking about hakif here and I have experienced it in the last few months and I am I would like to share this with you to show that it is not such a simple answer if we hand over Leos if we hand over tanks and the war is over we had this discussion also in the beginning if we would just have an oil embargo then this war would end but unfortunately not because what it is doing Putin is so irrational this is what we have to understand this is not logical if we do one step then he would follow the other step and this makes it so complicated or for us, so I fully support that we need everything you can do for Ukraine to defend your country, your citizens, your children, your grandparents and also defend our European peace ordinance. so, obviously, you need more military equipment, either with regard to thanks, whether with regard to air defense, whether with regard to ammunition, but nevertheless, we must also understand, unfortunately, that this will probably not prevent let the war continue, for what we need. all other factors as well and that's why my plea is not because I want to gloss over the military issue but that we need every bit of humanitarian financial support and especially aid support right now because the strategy is also Putin's in khaki if it's not killing people just with rockets, they want to freeze people to death.
I've been visiting one of these shelters but it needs a lot more shelter seeds it needs demining projects so this is also something something every country can do my country their countries and this is really my plea here let's fight or argue about tanks and we will give an answer I can promise you this but let's not forget about the other tasks that are at least as important as Military Support also in the future when we talk about reconstruction, so regarding the question from the Austrian colleague, thank you for mentioning the deportation of children because on this issue we don't even have figures from the International Committee of the Red.
Cross is not able to go to eastern Ukraine this is also my argument why I say we need more military support to liberate these areas we don't know about children we don't know about families in eastern Ukraine and that's why that I also say to those who say that they should try harder with diplomacy and put a nice word to Putin that this is not possible because if he was ready for diplomacy, the first thing would be that h I would like to allow humanitarian access to eastern Ukraine that it would make it possible to treat not only soldiers but also children and relatives in eastern Ukraine, but you are obviously not ready to do this to answer your question, the first thing is to talk about it again.
I have heard of many not talking about it because we do not have reliable numbers well obviously we do not know if there are thousands or ten thousand children but even if there are only a hundred we have to take care of each one of these children they are more than labor crimes if you deport a child to another country and you give him a free adoption, so we search together with the Council of Europe with the criminal court uh together with the EU actors to trace the clues of where the children went. Wow, what path can we take to bring them back to the country to bring those who commit these types of crimes to justice to support Ukrainians in their efforts to prevent more children from being supported and deported because this is based on also on news false in eastern Ukraine, so these are small steps, but I think the most important one is not to be silent on this issue because we are not sure how big these war crimes are, the issue regarding Romania and I am sorry that I, maybe I did not understand it well, what I want to understand was the rights of minorities in Ukraine, uh, it was your question, we are also discussing this with Hungary and other countries, uh, in the Council of Foreign Ministers of the EU, obviously because we are not only Europe, but we are a common Europe of values, whether in the Council of Europe and in the EU, we said when we said about the membership of the European Union that yes, Ukraine belongs to the EU, but they have to comply with all European laws. and conventions and treaties, and I find it quite impressive that in times of war they ratified, as I said before the Istanbul convention, they are working on so many legal aspects within their national constitutions and national laws and this obviously counts also on the right of a minority, so this is also a job that we are doing with the Council of Europe, but also with the EU and the question of Armenia, thank you for bringing up this topic which shows that unfortunately we are not only seeing a Russian war in Ukraine but that we see other regional conflicts to which we must pay attention, this is also the situation regarding the blockade of the lajin corridor and yesterday we decided as a European union to have an EU mission in Armenia, but obviously this Mission only makes sense if it also there is access from Azerbaijan aside so you ask what are we doing there first and most importantly also this Mission can work from the Azerbaijani side to monitor the humanitarian situation in the conflict area and bring their Justice to the people in the region thank you very much thank you very much for this exchange thank you very much also for this discussion it shows what we are democracy and democratic countries where everyone can have their own and free opinion bu The most important thing is to listen to others to be ready to see it from their point of view, so thank you very much, there was a very fruitful exchange for me too, have a nice day, thank you, thank you, thank you very much Madam, Madam Minister.
We already had it, we're leaving. I invite you all to go outside because there will be a Holocaust commemoration before leaving the room. I inform you that I must remind you that the vote to elect two judges of the European Court of Human Rights is still in progress. will close at three o'clock those who have not yet voted must do so in this title online voting system the session adjourned
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