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Ukraine-Krieg: Sachsens Ministerpräsident Kretschmer im Schlagabtausch | Markus Lanz vom 24.08. 202

Aug 25, 2022

Ukraine-Krieg: Sachsens Ministerpräsident Kretschmer im Schlagabtausch | Markus Lanz vom 24.08. 202

exactly six months ago today putin attacked

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he asked me in the preparation because of course he was more involved with you how are you on a day like that? you said music shortly before hundreds of thousands of troops on the ukrainian border together you said russia needs more respect yes i think this war is for all of us and maybe american secret services knew more but german policy, the public, we all did not want to believe that this terrible crime would happen and these really terrible events in the months. it happened now and that's why it's right when the federal chancellor says a turning point, that's all, but the right thing must follow from that and you have successfully tempered me with all the arguments the things that I am now bringing as considerations like someone 15 years old member of the federal parliament was the study of business and economics rt has a lot of experience pre

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of the foreign affairs committee he did this successfully by pointing out to the afd that none of this can be correct and that these arguments should not be discussed i think that that's a big problem in the current debate is that we are narrowing down to one point of view with one line of argument and that we need a much broader debate because of the arguments for and against, especially with issues as important as war and the peace that is extremely important is interesting what I now say would have destroyed the argument with the reference to the AfD I raised the question in the moderation how should someone who lives in a federal state speak in which this party canceled almost 30 percent of the votes that's not all exactly that nobody has to speak somehow but we have people who are freely chosen who are also with me for 32 years in this country they live in the Federal Republic of Germany and have also taken responsibility here in many respects, they have shown that even when it comes to difficult decisions, they also make decisions that are not the majority opinion and take these arguments to weigh them , to argue from the point of view and not immediately reopen any secondary theater of war these are the people who come from the new federal government there is a country that has a difficult political situation that is the problem ok so let's get into that for a moment the mrs linden had why are you talking about

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besides talking about you just tried in parts explain why s Your approach is to say that you want to broaden the debate I would say that you would also like to collect some of the opinions that you have obtained from your home state of Saxony I find it very interesting if you look at them again at the beginning during your reign in Saxony you have and made an interesting interview with the Süddeutsche Zeitung and you said that you do not want to lecture people, that you also want to capture the mood that you want to hear from people so as not to allow the process of alienation that you witnessed at the time to take place. grow between you, the one who sits in the state chancellorship and those who elect you to be part of it, now I also said it first of all with such seriousness that there are numbers that you can see in the polls in July, among other things , this is the ard infratest survey where you can also see that at least East Germans and West Germans who have been interviewed have clear differences, for example in the case of sanctions, then a narrow majority of East German respondents say 51% silent sanctions if they charge us, also 39 percent are in favor, so it's a mixed picture, I think the Saxon newspaper then raised it again, there's the much clearer picture, that means they also take k for granted, also the open letters that are now written not to you but to harbeck, among others from the mayor of schneeberg, which are written there with reference to dangerously high energy prices before high and, on the other hand, and that is such an anecdotal observation of last week there was a very interesting discussion between you and your representative where, on the one hand, you saw how big the differences are even within this state government and then there were a scene where he said exactly this sentence, i think we shouldn't make all wars ours and exactly At this point there was applause from the scene, at least from some of those present who cited the weather in Dorsten, and I think they also register something of that.
ukraine krieg sachsens ministerpr sident kretschmer im schlagabtausch markus lanz vom 24 08 202
I think, however, that you have to be careful. not only to enter the topic of debate but also to take action you must be an opposition politician you are the head of government and then we also have to show ways to overcome this energy crisis, this price crisis, outside of world politics, and I have a feeling that there is still something else going on in other federal states, including the East German federal states, so first of all, that's not what politics is about looking at survey values ​​and acting accordingly, but politics It consists of coming out with your own convictions and also convincing people of this path and we are dealing here with an armed conflict with a war in which many human rights violations, war crimes, acts of terror and, from my point of view, occur view, it is an important moment in this debate to present and also to defend that this war must be frozen that we need a ceasefire that we need negotiations to end with this the war I live very little in the public debate and that is why that is my deep conviction I am glad that many people in the east and the west share the fact that one complex is the other is the question what would that be very briefly about the resolutions for energy, very briefly, you just said that this is something that is public opinion, it is hardly taken seriously in public opinion, it was that nobody would be in favor of negotiating for this war to end and that the only problem on that point is that Moscow is someone who thwarts all these negotiations all these efforts every second and Even don't take it seriously if you take it so calmly I'm going to do my best now because the motto is the topic because Russia is a terrible criminal of war, that's right, that he doesn't want any negotiations right now, that's definitely the case and that means that this war has only become a battlefield may be no that's not true like 3 what is too bad war criminals of course we said i just said negotiations again just give an excuse how many millions this war can only be fought on the battlefield only one person represents that and that is vladimir putin unanimously this percentage has increased this position if not the ukrainian government still someone who constantly refracts the light on the fact that this war has to be won and i say it very clearly all the time but we constantly talk about the fact that this war has to be resolved through negotiations he and we had through negotiations the proposals for this she gave a huge a huge favor to agree with us who presented the proposals who presented the proposals for the negotiations that it was the ukrainian government tell me a proposal that vladimir putin would have presented that offers a basis for discussion for negotiations only one is not the issue of rape and not at all pfung leads here to the federal republic of germany we are greatly affected by this conflict we see the upheavals in the world in africa the famine the many many problems and the question is how we got to this situation and my impression is and I think that the population sees it the same, that we are very involved with weapons, with money, with all kinds of things and that we really need a clear reconsideration from my point of view, this war must be ended as soon as possible.
ukraine krieg sachsens ministerpr sident kretschmer im schlagabtausch markus lanz vom 24 08 202
Of course, we are on the side of

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, the country has been invaded, we have to put the aggressor in a position where he can also participate, everything is difficult, but this debate is not taking place in Germany, but people like me that they say to freeze is to be negotiated as naive and for putin to ask to freeze what do you want because an armed one specifically says so and introduced I will do it or freeze is a yes, somehow I can freeze food in my freezer, but what does freezing mean in this war ? That means nothing more than Russia's demands. elected government that means

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has to give up its state sovereignty and allow russia to occupy it. you have to come to this one. these are the highest demands and whoever says you have to meet putin may well understand a Putin and we don't take this position as our own, but we have to make sure that a hot war turns into a frozen conflict in many parts of the world.
ukraine krieg sachsens ministerpr sident kretschmer im schlagabtausch markus lanz vom 24 08 202
We have situations like this that will also provide an opportunity to negotiate for years and decades to come. I ask again how, through an important diplomatic initiative, I came together here. ch to have a joint action above all also germany france together the european union a clear direction from the united states presumably also with china and turkey but above all it has to be about taking this initiative we have these initiatives we have just found talks in moscow instead we are in the process of carrying out the talks no we made it every day of course they failed and that's the end of the discussion of course it didn't it had to continue like this the talks must continue how do you want to solve this?
ukraine krieg sachsens ministerpr sident kretschmer im schlagabtausch markus lanz vom 24 08 202
Conflict In my opinion, you only get better recognition through negotiations and ears of corn. You are recognized better. Honestly, I can't follow them, so you present something. What is the basic consensus? no one is of the opinion that this war should not end and we can semantically freeze the word for a long time arguing that everyone is trying to talk to putin in one way or another you also have this picture in front of your eyes olaf scholz at this absurdly long table this image when it was so interesting is the time it was a few days before the outbreak of the war that now wants to be very brief only that the question is half a year more country we are currently having debates that we hear every day new weapons more in this direction too it is right to support

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i am also not against sanctions when i ask how and how the balancing act you have to do to support this country these great people fighting for their freedom without our support this country probably would have perished by now , that's why it's absolutely the right thing to do, but as much as I say that I say as much I say that we really need a lot of startups. iatives now a gathering of allies who are going towards each other, who are there because they are also suffering from this economic recession in which a small part of the world is in a terrible war and we plunge the whole world into chaos we see that in small parts in this moment in germany we are what we fall especially all those who are very who are all who are currently responsible and not with the same high high high who is plunging the world into chaos putin with his war or the rest of the world is plunging this world in chaos together with putin you have to explain that now in order for you to do this you can have such talks and always try to be nice to give the other a card like that of course as the aggressor russia bears the main responsibility for everything and our demand common should be that you stop that, that you as a country leave again, there is no cheap reason or justification for this war that violates international law and for this attack on

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, but all of us are acting each of us above all those in politics answers the question with what sanctions, what instruments are we using and how are we now trying to do what willy brandt always said that diplomacy is a state greater working for peace has to be the first task to organize your peace the question again I don't understand that you understand I understand and they often talked about it on the show because they say that this is this opinion does not get enough attention.
ukraine krieg sachsens ministerpr sident kretschmer im schlagabtausch markus lanz vom 24 08 202
People don't talk about it if they often express concern here and for me and also express understanding for the people who are on the show and represent the position that scares me when in a relatively small part of the world you can suddenly see such a concentration of war equipment weapons we fully share it and i understand your concern my question is still very simple and mrs eigendorf has already asked it twice to no avail i ask but i didn't get an answer how do you negotiate with someone who doesn't deal andeln wants obviously how do you scream Tell the other man now do it if you don't make any concessions if you know at the same time that people in

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don't want exactly that.
ukraine krieg sachsens ministerpr sident kretschmer im schlagabtausch markus lanz vom 24 08 202
They want Calais to become a Russian province. they want to continue living exactly as they live she lived before february 24 what would you do what would you do? olaf scholz the situation is an argument this currently prevailing spd line of argumentation i think also determines politics to a greater extent and leads to the continuation of this war and it can be said that this is bitter because it causes an incredible amount of people are dying i think all the death in

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is reason enough to get involved that it is going another way and it is difficult the market is also a failure it has certainly failed a few times but it is the only way the question is what is it really doing to us and what you are doing to the world is a powder keg there are plants ofnuclear power there are nuclear weapons the stakes are as high as possible we see the distortions caused by these commodity prices due to scarcity everywhere the world is emerging and i think there are an incredible number of reasons to do everything especially diplomatically and that does not mean at all that they hand you over to

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, that does not mean that you recognize what happened there, that means that you start talking to each other with full intensity and try to find allies for this path and the viruses in this vision only ally and that it's the russian government and the russian government has now clearly positioned itself over and over again throughout the war putin does not deviate from his maximum demand which means what does that mean if you want to freeze the conflict if i use the term freeze now the fact that one has to give in to putin's demands is his, but a malicious insinuation is not really possible that he too misses out on an argument entirely serious because what you say simply means the continuation of the war, yes you think that you are routinely preventing war before having it as your first the request to speak was that we all want to negotiate of course it is her way that she is using what is happening the goal of this war is right now to put putin in a situation at the given time where he is willing to sit down at the negotiating table that is and do whatever you want to demand that the time has come when germany doesn't seem to have died yet because another 10,000 people have died if somehow a major environmental catastrophe happened what is then the point has come that i can't immediately say about not now because right now the russian pre

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and his entourage are not ready to sit at the negotiating table and we don't want to know about the solution either, we shouldn't do anything to teach him about it yet so always look for or allies, we shouldn't try with the UN to do things together that Mr.
Kretschmann like he didn't come up with very, very briefly because if he just said we all have a responsibility, he's not a bit perfidious in a way, to be honest, deny their colleagues from other career politicians in politicians who are doing exactly that so my impression is that no one has talked to putin on the phone as many times for hours as for example if you assume various profiles as if I would work here from such a cheap way i see it being said by different little federal governments making it difficult i have also expressed my support in many places that is not a question at all everyone is here concerned everyone is also in the process of dealing with this conflict as if nothing else was happening and I think it is absolutely legitimate that this position that we are talking about now is coming to light even more and I can feel it in the population and in my Many people right now, for example, taking responsibility in business is exactly what my ladies and gentlemen gentlemen, all this leads to nothing other than that we can't work together economically either, they won't be able to make war and at the same time deliver gasoline and other things and start again, that is why we also have a direct interest in ending this war, the reason why you demand these negotiations so vehemently is not this war of aggression, but concern because of the German economy, the reason is the concern for the chaos that can be caused in other parts of the world, the concern for Africa everything is legitimate, but this voice, this position, I was very sorry not to hear from you when I was there in this war in 24.7 swimmers you heard from me right away that's wrong that's a terrible crime innocent people are dying in

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women children we have helped in a wonderful way as germans here in the country and also beyond As people are affected in the poor countries of this world that are currently in great need, we can already see the lack of food, the lack of fuel, the increase in the movement of refugees, we can see all that they are , through

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, we can also see that the federal republic. of germany with the turn of the century has important tasks in the area of ​​defense in the area of ​​climate protection in the area of ​​social security systems we are dealing with a China that is becoming stronger and stronger and only if we as germany , we are strong we will be able to guarantee these tasks we will be able to live safely that is why we also have an immediate interest that the economic strength of the federal republic of germany and the european union will hold water for the first time please say now to the point if you still haven't answered the other question i didn't answer the question i think again you can't get along so bypass i have this question several times i answered i said we need a diplomatic initiative we have to get going the simple question how do you talk to him someone who doesn't want to talk? that is the very simple question organizing channels and diplomacy is the art and you have it created so that if they have completely different opinions if they are enemies anyway talking to each other is commonplace they would do if they had the opportunity to sit at the table with vladimir putin now to speak to him on the phone the french pre

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and also olaf scholz i have done it repeatedly and with a resigned result of what you want to discuss with vladimir putin it is not my job to demand that this be the decisive factor i think germany and france like central players at the top can set the table what where are these talks supposed to offer something the first time we would do that? the talks are shown but the talks we also need others to refer again that's totally naive that just means the continuation of the war you can't be serious but that's my seriousness that means we have completely different opinions and then that's fine too I think that then I can take the right path and my political experience shows me explained what war is always recognizes that negotiations made to burn must not try to be decided on the battlefield because that could have such bad consequences for us that the war will not be decided on the battlefield or this war will be decided at some point through negotiation because the question of what's next comes up very briefly over one thing because she can come back to say she's naive and what I'm doing here is so simple and so terribly simple.
We can still focus on one thing, you just assumed here that this war with continue because we want to continue this war, so to speak, not smooth, so if we don't negotiate the stop if we said negotiate again now it's a minute the questions the stop said clean up then slowly today slowly I just answered the question what is the consequence and I answered the question continued this war so you said yes and you said there will come a time when you negotiate again so you can't treat each other like that but if you have a different opinion than mine I respect that.
I do not agree that there are no honorable reasons for this and I hope that my opinion can be applied in the same way, especially since, in my opinion, it also reflects a great point on the German population, people who are also concerned and these are people . that you are also worried about affirming that with your arguments with your concerns with your ex with your attitude It is sensible that you did not say kretschmann just ten minutes ago it is not about a high-level politician wanting more and that is why you did not say that it is about waiting last tuesday what are my arguments why is that correct from my point of view and you have to just say again that we can verify that this war is going on because we have made it clear to you because we are not negotiating and I just want to make a simple point and I would be grateful if we could come to an agreement on this. this war continues because this man in moscow the step yes of course ok of course it is goose stealing in question the question is how do we deal with this situation we are what would you do lift sanctions explained let's try to get ahead. your offer from putin they would say you can have territory they would say lift sanctions if we didn't let in the country spare parts for planes medication as much as possible what would you do what would you do about the experience of diplomacy shows that you need a number of allies there will also be other countries there will be countries that they will also be listening to the Russian side, there is China, for example, but they are equally threatened by this economic upheaval, they have no interest in things continuing and that must be discussed diplomatically at the end and clarify who does it in any way than

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now it has to cede territory or that russia is fulfilling its war objectives russia must not win the war that is absolutely correct it is aggression it is violations of human rights and now we are dealing with this complex of problems i think we have to deal with that again In the same way, what consequences does Germany draw from this and that means a good defense union? with the European Union A real investment by the federal government will not only be 100 billion, but the money will be continually remodeling the energy system, not overnight, but so that it is effectively possible to diversify, have other suppliers and give this country a future, but I don't know that the first loser in all this development is climate protection and that now oil is on fire again and lignite is on fire, that cannot be the solution
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